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Postby Blue Canary » Sun Jul 21, 2019 5:26 pm

This team is gutless and heartless.
They’re letting this crap Phillies bullpen off the hook.

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Postby Blue Canary » Sun Jul 21, 2019 5:31 pm

Rhys Hoskins trying to end it because he knows the Bucs won’t come back in the bottom of the 11th.

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Postby Blue Canary » Sun Jul 21, 2019 5:32 pm

LoLoLoL JUST HOW I DREW IT UP.

This team drives me insane.

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Postby Blue Canary » Sun Jul 21, 2019 5:42 pm

I’ll always despise the Phillies.

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Postby Dickie Dunn » Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:37 am

Time to start selling. Reynolds has slowed down and his limited power has all but disappeared, but this team has zero chance if Josh Bell doesn't stop sucking ass. 138/265/172/437 with 1 XBH since the ASB. 4 hits in 9 games, striking out almost 24% of the time, and his soft contact is up to 23.8%. Dude is a mess at the plate.

Dickie Dunn is Concerned About our Top Prospects:
- Mitch Keller: Pitched well yesterday. 6 IP, 4 H, 1 R, 0 BB, 5 Ks. Almost 70% of his pitches were strikes.
- Ke'Bryan Hayes: 1 for 5 yesterday. Same for Saturday. 310/344/500/844 in July.
- Travis Swaggerty: As TL said, Bradenton went nuts yesterday. 3 for 6 with 3 R and an RBI. 2 run HR on Saturday. 385/444/569/1014 in July.
- Oneil Cruz: Also 3 for 6 with 3 R and an RBI. 350/371/583/954 in July.
- Cole Tucker: 1 for 3 on Saturday and Sunday. 186/284/271/555 in July.

Pablo Reyes had a good weekend for Indy and went 2 for 3 yesterday. Currently working on a 9 game hitting streak and is batting 317/391/634/1025 in July. Jason Martin seems to have gotten out of his funk and is working on a 7 game hitting streak and is batting 364 in his last 10, 362/426/553/979 in July.

Another hitting streak owner is Jared Oliva, who is also working on a 9 game streak. 2 for 5 with 2 R yesterday, 431/500/631/1131 with 8 XBHs, 11 SBs, and 0 CS in July.

The big star of Bradenton's 13-2 victory was Cal Mitchell, who was 3 for 5 with a 2B, his second grand slam of the week, and 7 RBIs. After a rough June he's batting 286/375/589/964 in July and has a BA of 361 over his last 10 (only 5 Ks in that time frame) and is also on a 9 game hitting streak. Mason Martin was 2 for 4 with an RBI and is now up to 200/378/371/749 in Bradenton. Lolo Sanchez was 1 for 4 but is still a mess with a 146 BA over his last 10 and 156/214/200/414 since being promoted.

In Greensboro, Bae had a good weekend and is still hanging above 300 for the season with a 305/382/395/777 split. Herman is on a good run and has boosted his season split to 262/345/516/861 but is still striking out a ton. Mottice is batting 405 over his last 10 and maintains an impressive 383/513/450/963 in Greensboro this season.

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Postby DigitalGypsy66 » Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:52 pm

Pirates local TV ratings up 15% over last year to this point, sixth highest in the league.

https://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Jou ... -RSNs.aspx

I saw attendance was up as well by a couple thousand fans.

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Postby Troy Loney » Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:57 pm

Pirates local TV ratings up 15% over last year to this point, sixth highest in the league.

https://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Jou ... -RSNs.aspx

I saw attendance was up as well by a couple thousand fans.
I think there is something to be said about the possibility that people are just dumber than we give them credit for. I think it's entirely possible that people were mad at the Pirates for dumping Cole and McCutchen last year, and did actually boycott the team. Then this year, the offseason was equally bad, yet because they didn't trade stars, the smooth brained simpletons came back to the park.

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Postby Dickie Dunn » Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:05 pm

They're 24th in attendance this season at 19,722 per game, which is up 2,192 from this point last season. Fans are definitely stupid, but I think they've benefited from out of town fans who can score cheap tickets and stuff like the current promotion in "honor" of Josh Bell where tickets for the upcoming series against the **** Cardinals are 55% off. If you're selling tickets for July games against a division rival for more than half off you're still having some serious attendance issues.

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Postby Morkle » Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:23 pm

I found Club tickets for 13 dollars yesterday an hour before the game. It's honestly stupid cheap, and I still wouldn't go.

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Postby Dickie Dunn » Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:02 pm

When they acquired him I remember there being talk about some disciplinary issues and his potential to be a real pain in the ass sometimes, but I don't even get what this means. Looks like they reinstated him from the DL and then immediately suspended him for two games and now the MLBPA is investigating. Weird.

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Postby willeyeam » Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:44 pm

RIP 2019 Pirates

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Postby Dickie Dunn » Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:54 pm

I love that Holmes looks wild as ****, gives us a hit, walks a guy, hits a guy, gives up a grand slam and HURDLE LEAVES HIM IN THE **** GAME SO HE CAN PROCEED TO GIVE UP A DOUBLE AND TWO MORE WALKS. What a **** idiot.

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Postby MrKennethTKangaroo » Tue Jul 23, 2019 6:44 am

Very similar ot the debacle with dovydas a few weeks ago vs the brewers


The overarching theme should be that Clayton Holmes and dovydas do not belong on major league rosters. It’s the general manager’s job to make sure that the bullpen contains 7 or 8 major league level arms. The pirates have barely had 4 or 5 major league arms in the pen all year.

In other words, GMNH failed

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Postby Morkle » Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:32 am

Very similar ot the debacle with dovydas a few weeks ago vs the brewers


The overarching theme should be that Clayton Holmes and dovydas do not belong on major league rosters. It’s the general manager’s job to make sure that the bullpen contains 7 or 8 major league level arms. The pirates have barely had 4 or 5 major league arms in the pen all year.

In other words, GMNH failed
GMNH laid the gauntlet about winning more and rewarding the team. Get above average replacement players to start with and it shouldn't be a question. He's actively crippled this team, and won't help it here, because it's beyond help. This management team is insufferable, honestly.

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Postby Troy Loney » Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:37 am

You’d think it would be an easy decision to sell with more contenders and fewer sellers. But the reluctance to deal top prospects makes that difficult. Teams have increasingly wanted to go for it, while also wanting to hoard all of their best prospects. As a side note, have you ever noticed how teams are hoarding top prospects when the Pirates are sellers, but that same practice gets criticized when the Pirates are buyers?
Comments like this from Tim Williams make me want to punch a hole in the wall.

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Postby Troy Loney » Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:51 am

Very similar ot the debacle with dovydas a few weeks ago vs the brewers


The overarching theme should be that Clayton Holmes and dovydas do not belong on major league rosters. It’s the general manager’s job to make sure that the bullpen contains 7 or 8 major league level arms. The pirates have barely had 4 or 5 major league arms in the pen all year.

In other words, GMNH failed
The most aggravating thing is that people still cite injuries as a cause for this year's debacle. There was one long term injury to the rotation, and the significant bullpen injuries are Kela and Burdi. The former blew every lead he was given before hitting the DL and the latter was a rule 5 dart throw kamikaze pitcher that only a desperate org would rely on.

I do think though that since the MLB fixed the international bonus system the Pirates have made the requisite investments in building organizational depth through the lower levels of the system. But whatever competitive advantage they had in relation to run prevention has completely disappeared and they will not be able to compete until they inject some more talent to the ML pitching staff.

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Postby Dickie Dunn » Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:32 am

Holmes sucks the same balls he's always sucked. He has no business being on an MLB roster. At the same time, that doesn't mitigate the fact that Hurdle continually leaves failing relievers in for too long and had his catcher bunt away an out in the bottom of the inning, which was later capped off with Cora being the same idiot he always is.

As far as the previous attendance discussion, last night on a near perfect evening they managed to draw 13,096 for a game against the Cardinals while attempting to fight for a playoff spot AND selling tickets for 55% off.

Dickie Dunn is Concerned About our Top Prospects:
- Travis Swaggerty: 0 for 3 with 3 Ks. That feels more familiar.
- Oneil Cruz: 1 for 4 with a 2B and R.

Indy had the night off. I missed that Will Craig hit his 19th HR of the season on Sunday. 247/326/456/783 for the season.

Altoona won and Oliva went 1 for 4 to extend his hitting streak to 10 games. They've got a double header today and Bolton is slated to start the second game.

Bradenton won 7-3. Martin went 1 for 3 with 2 R and 2 RBI. The good version of Cal Mitchell continues to be out in full force. 3 for 4 with a R, 2 RBI, and his 14th HR of the season. Batting 432 over his last 10 games. He's a player that I really want to see succeed. Power is expensive to acquire and expensive to keep, so the more guys with power that are under team control the better, yet the Pirates draft very few guys with natural power.

Greensboro was off as well.

Team of Destiny won 14-13 over Tigers2 and are now 35-8. Randy Romero was 5 for 5 with 3 R to bring his season line to 405/444/571/1015. Future HOFer Alexander Mojica was 1 for 5 with and RBI, 2 BBs, and a K. He's batting 417 over his last 10.

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Postby Ad@m » Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:56 pm

:face: What a disgrace. Bases loaded, no one out. Bell strikes out on 3 pitches and Moran grounds into a DP.

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Postby Troy Loney » Wed Jul 24, 2019 5:46 am

It might really be time to shop vazquez

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Postby robbiestoupe » Wed Jul 24, 2019 8:23 am

I'm on the fence about Vazquez. Initially it was trade him if they could get a haul. But I've realized I've been brainwashed by my ~35 years of Pirate fandom. Unless the guy is a hindrance to the team, why trade him? Sure he's just a closer, but build off of him, don't get rid of him for the sake of another "future".

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Postby MrKennethTKangaroo » Wed Jul 24, 2019 8:43 am

the pirates have quite a few young guys, and quite of few of the young guys project to be legit major leaguers. Reynolds has cooled but figures to be a everyday player. Moran has sadly proven to be a major leaguer. Newman keeps on hitting. Diaz is hitting a kang esque 152 this month, but he has done a pretty good job behind the plate. Bell is good but it remains to be seen if he is superstar good or just good or whatever. Tucker and Hayes figure to be legit major leaguers, too.

thow in the fact that marte has two more options on his deal and you figure the team wont be too too bad

but the problem is that none of these guys are bonafide stars that can carry a team into the post season. rivero is the only guy on the roster that could get that kind of return in a trade. yes, the 9th inning would suck without him, but innings 6, 7, and 8 suck now so what is the difference at this point? the pirates need more top end talent if they are going to actually do something. rivero is the only hope.

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Postby Troy Loney » Wed Jul 24, 2019 8:55 am


but the problem is that none of these guys are bonafide stars that can carry a team into the post season. rivero is the only guy on the roster that could get that kind of return in a trade. yes, the 9th inning would suck without him, but innings 6, 7, and 8 suck now so what is the difference at this point? the pirates need more top end talent if they are going to actually do something. rivero is the only hope.
If I were NH, I would avoid dealing with the Dodgers. You know that this team is just fundamentally smarter and more competent than yourself and your coworkers. That coupled with the actuality that the Dodgers are capable of extracting production out of players that would be trash here in Pittsburgh, so while the return would probably be lauded by like Baseball America and Fangraphs, it would ultimately do nothing to help the Pirates. They need pitchers more than they need some sort of impact prospect IMO, I would focus on obtaining upper level pitching talent that could help soon.

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Postby Dickie Dunn » Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:31 am

Welcome to the basement. Does Josh Bell have any minor league options yet? Zero chance he hits 40 HRs at this point. Speaking of HRs, Reynolds has hit 2 since May 26th. I like the gap power but occasionally ya gotta hit one over the fence kid.

Dickie Dunn is Concerned About our Top Prospects:
- Mitch Keller: PP has a write up about how his pitch usage has changed over his last three starts, but I can't read it because I ain't paying for that ****. I'm sure it's enlightening though.
- Ke'Bryan Hayes: 2 for 5 with a R and 2 Ks. Hitting 326 over his last 10.
- Travis Swaggerty: Bradenton had a double header. Swaggy T went 2 for 6 with an RBI over both games.
- Oneil Cruz: 1 for 7 with his 6th HR over both games.
- Cole Tucker: 2 for 4 with a HR and 2 RBIs. Hopefully that rights his ship.

Will Craig went 2 for 4 with a 2B and is back above 250 for the year. Pablo Reyes went 1 for 2 with an RBI and is up to a 10 game hitting streak. AAA numbers are up to 276/329/533/862.

Cody Bolton had another rough start and Oliva's hit streak ended, so I'll go back to ignoring Altoona.

Bradenton split their double header. Mason Martin was 3 for 7 with 2 HRs, a 2B, and 3 RBI. Mitchell fell back to Earth and went 0 for 5.

Greensboro got rained out.

I try to care about the West Virginia Black Bears but nobody on the roster is very intriguing, especially since yesterday's start moved Ashcraft to 0-6 on the season with a 6.48 ERA. Maybe college football was his true calling.

Team of Destiny won 5-4. 17 year old SS Daniel Lopez was 3 for 5 (355/404/524/929) and fellow 17 year old C Geovanny Planchart was 3 for 4 (395/452/447/900).

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