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Postby Troy Loney » Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:15 am

His Pirate career probably provided the impetus for hiring a dietitian.

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Postby willeyeam » Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:32 am

Trevor Williams is making a rehab start on Thursday

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Postby shafnutz05 » Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:57 pm

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/284 ... m=referral
n July 2018, the Pittsburgh Pirates acquired Chris Archer from the Tampa Bay Rays. It was a bold move for the small-market Bucs and a rare splash for a club accustomed to sitting on the blockbuster trade-season sidelines.

In Archer, the Pirates got a two-time All-Star who finished fifth in American League Cy Young Award voting in 2015. Forget the white flag; they were flying the skull and crossbones at full mast.

Almost one year later, the deal looks like a disaster of historic, flag-plummeting proportions for Pittsburgh.

In 10 starts with the Pirates last season, Archer posted a pedestrian 4.30 ERA, though he did strike out 60 in 52.1 innings. This season, the 30-year-old right-hander has fallen off a cliff.

In 53.2 frames, Archer owns a 5.20 ERA and an even uglier 5.45 FIP. His average fastball velocity has dipped from 95.3 mph in 2018 to a career low of 93.6 mph. On top of that, he missed time in late April and early May with a thumb injury.

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Postby Dickie Dunn » Wed Jun 12, 2019 1:19 pm

I've always liked Archer and was happy with the trade when it happened because I thought he could rebound here, Meadows was a good player in a position that the Pirates actually manage to have excess in, and knew they were going to continue to **** up Glasnow and were probably selling low on him already, but **** hell man going 17-9 last July thanks to that 11 game winning streak is going to end up being one the worst things to happen to this franchise, which is really saying a lot.

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Postby willeyeam » Wed Jun 12, 2019 1:34 pm

here's my point of view - what if we didn't make the trade?

Glasnow would be in AAA right now after posting a 7 ERA last year (if he has options, DFA if not)
Meadows would most likely be a month into starting after being buried all of last year, and we'd never know about Bryan Reynolds - call it a wash in the OF imo
Baz would have never made it to Pittsburgh the way he threw in rookie ball

so yeah the trade stinks looking back, but if we didn't make it the alternative also stinks

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Postby Troy Loney » Wed Jun 12, 2019 1:39 pm

here's my point of view - what if we didn't make the trade?

Glasnow would be in AAA right now after posting a 7 ERA last year (if he has options, DFA if not)
Meadows would most likely be a month into starting after being buried all of last year, and we'd never know about Bryan Reynolds - call it a wash in the OF imo
Baz would have never made it to Pittsburgh the way he threw in rookie ball

so yeah the trade stinks looking back, but if we didn't make it the alternative also stinks
Not sure about that. Meadows would have been back in a starting role last year after Polanco's kamikaze slide.

Baz wasn't that bad last year, but who know what would have happened once the development people started making him pound inside with fastballs all the time.

Glasnow, though, there's no way they would have put him in a position to succeed. It would have invalidated a decade's worth of work they've done in creating their pitching development program.

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Postby willeyeam » Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:32 pm

ah yeah forgot about Polanco's injury. Same situation though, our OF right now would be Meadows-Marte-Polanco either way. And maybe he's better than Reynolds, but I wouldn't call it a huge swing either way

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Postby Dickie Dunn » Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:39 pm

We're again dealing with small sample sizes and a player's natural fluctuation throughout the season, but I do think it's worth mentioning that Meadows is batting 262/326/357/683 in June. I think he'll be a good player but the first two months of this season were an aberration.

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Postby Troy Loney » Wed Jun 12, 2019 3:12 pm

If the Pirates loss tonight, the will move in to last place. So I guess all those offseason moves were worth it for Cincinnati.

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Postby Beveridge » Wed Jun 12, 2019 3:24 pm

At least Cincinnati tried something and rolled the dice instead of sitting still.

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Postby robbiestoupe » Wed Jun 12, 2019 3:35 pm

But now their owner is poor and Uncle Moneybags and his monocle get to laugh all the way to the bank the Pirates still have financial freedom to make a move if necessary

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Postby Dickie Dunn » Wed Jun 12, 2019 3:42 pm

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Postby Morkle » Wed Jun 12, 2019 3:47 pm

But now their owner is poor and Uncle Moneybags and his monocle get to laugh all the way to the bank the Pirates still have financial freedom to make a move if necessary
lol financial freedom, you mean flexibility, and the Pirates have the flexibility to trade people.

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Postby Dickie Dunn » Wed Jun 12, 2019 4:52 pm

Keller officially up, Montana sent back to wherever.

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Postby Dickie Dunn » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:23 pm

Newman
Dickerson
Marte
Bell
Cabrera
Kang
Frazier
Diaz

Free Reynolds.

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Postby shafnutz05 » Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:39 pm

I cannot get over how much our pitching sucks. In three innings, Keller gives up TEN hits, six earned, and two walks. His season ERA is up to 15.43. I mean, holy sht.

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Postby Factorial » Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:48 pm

I guess I won't even bother starting the game now.

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Postby Morkle » Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:54 pm

Yea, this year is 100% over.

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Postby Dickie Dunn » Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:59 pm

It seems that of the Pirates much hyped pitching prospects that they can’t develop properly, Keller might be the worst.

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Postby Morkle » Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:33 am

I would 100% fire Searage mid-season and do whatever I could to try and save any of these guys arms.

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Postby Troy Loney » Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:47 am

In retrospect, what appeared to be just a slight crack in the foundation to start the season (the Kela and Rodriguez flop) was really all this pitching staff had to endure to completely collapse. We can point to the injuries in the rotation, but the strength of the team was supposed to be the bullpen, they were already carrying two dead spots in the bullpen with Kingham and Brault, so right off the bat, the bullpen was down to 4 (Vazquez, Crick, Liriano and Burdi). And at that point, anything good from Liriano and Burdi was a godsend. You can then point to the Burdi injury as what blew the reactor. At that point, they were 12-6, were winning the first game of a 4 game series against the diamondbacks, then they blew the late lead, and they have been bad since. I think they ended up getting blown out in a game they were winning 4-0 in the 7th inning.

I would clean house, Hurdle and Searage for sure. And I'm not sure how you can trust NH at this point. I assume it was not his choice to field a 75M roster, but there were plenty of inexpensive players floating around that would have provided some level of depth.

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Postby MrKennethTKangaroo » Thu Jun 13, 2019 9:10 am

the only arm worth saving is keller

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Postby MrKennethTKangaroo » Thu Jun 13, 2019 9:19 am



I would clean house, Hurdle and Searage for sure. And I'm not sure how you can trust NH at this point. I assume it was not his choice to field a 75M roster, but there were plenty of inexpensive players floating around that would have provided some level of depth.
As I was matching socks and listening to keller get rocked last night, I officially decided that I think GMNH's time is up. ive been in his corner for a really long time, and I always gave him a break because ownership is so pathetic. but the team has done a poor job extracting value out of high draft picks and high upside guys (cole, Taillon, meadows) and hasn't done a good job getting value out of lower draft picks. I don't think there has been a single starting pitcher that gmnh has drafted that exceeded expectations.

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Postby Dickie Dunn » Thu Jun 13, 2019 9:40 am

It's becoming a tale as old as time. The Best Management Team in Baseball **** up another pitching prospect every way they can. I feel bad for Keller. He didn't ask to wait until AAA to learn to throw more than two pitches, dude was just doing what he was told. He was not great last night, but knowing that they're going to micromanage the **** out of his second career start, in typical Pirates fashion they **** him over hard, having him throw his fastball 75% of the time in the first inning, throwing 12 straight four-seamers to start the game, putting the shift on and having Diaz set up to throw everything low and away, throwing the same pitch in the same location to Nick Markakis three times before he drives in the game's first run.

Keller was missing his mark and elevating the ball some of the time, but are these guys morons? You shift for the pull and then have the guy pitch low and away so they can easily beat the shift by slapping the ball the other direction? **** dumb. **** like that is how you have three singles and a double with exit velocities of 45.1, 73.8, 72.2, and 75.8. Just terrible. I'm just as sure that Keller will be fine and that his best baseball will be played in another team's uniform as I am that this entire managing and front office staff needs to go and the team needs a reset.

Small sample size alert: over the past size games Newman is batting 455/500/636/1136 and has added 2 SBs. After a rough adjustment period he seems to be settling into the leadoff spot nicely. He might never be more than a slap hitter, but someone at the top of the lineup who can actually get on base and has some speed would be a nice change.

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Dickie Dunn is Concerned About our Top Prospects:
- Mitch Keller: **** hell
- Ke'Bryan Hayes: 7 Day IR with a right index finger injury. Baseball players are such pussies.
- Travis Swaggerty: 0 for 3, 221/320/332/652 for the season. Swaggerty was actually 0-6 because there was a double header yesterday.
- Oneil Cruz: Still injured!
- Kevin Kramer: 1 for 4 with 2 RBI, 272/353/456/808 for the season. Wonder if the Pirates give him another shot before he's 30.
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Postby Troy Loney » Thu Jun 13, 2019 9:52 am

Swaggerty was actually 0-6 because there was a double header yesterday.

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