Maybe because the writers have no idea what to do with the show other than let JDM stand around and chew the scenery.Why would the show be over then? Was the show over when the Governor was killed? Or the Marauders? Or the Terminus folks? Or Shane? This show goes through antagonist like no other show before it so to give that as an excuse is ridiculous.
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Just want to put this out there - more dumb writing led to the Ezekial overconfidence thing. Also, dumb writing - a 50 Cal machine gun would take limbs off / blow people in half.
Clearly, Ezekial is living, but those people would have been SHREDDED by that weapon.
Clearly, Ezekial is living, but those people would have been SHREDDED by that weapon.
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Did Rick and Daryl see something earlier that led them to believe Negan had a 50 cal Browning? That was an awfully specific weapon for them to grill the guy about.
Last week's episode and this week's episode could have been combined into 10 minutes of a real show. It's crazy how much boring filler they're dumping this early in the season. It's almost like they want the ratings to plummet.
Last week's episode and this week's episode could have been combined into 10 minutes of a real show. It's crazy how much boring filler they're dumping this early in the season. It's almost like they want the ratings to plummet.
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They were given the tip by Dwight. Dwight told them the weapon was there through the messaging system they've created. They moved them to Gavin's base and that's where Ezekial and team were celebrating in an open area.
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The fact that weapons don't work like they would in real life is the least of this show's problems right now. 
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Ok...sounds like another skip episode.
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No, but it's really taking me out of the all-out war scenario. Same with this moral compass should we/shouldn't we kill nonsense. Rick wants to destroy everything one episode, then this episode he's questioning Daryl's actions.The fact that weapons don't work like they would in real life is the least of this show's problems right now.
An easy way to write out military grade weapons? Make it a stealth battle, firebomb the place, anything but continual unlimited ammo fire fights.
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If you were to tell me a show was going to dedicate multiple episodes to a single raid, I would be very excited. This however, has been poorly executed. There's no real tension, and it's been mostly uninteresting.
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Yeah.Ok...sounds like another skip episode.
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I'm just tired of the Negen thing...just resolve the damn situation.
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I got you covered again, columbia:
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Bad acting lesbian chick
I also do not know (or want to) her name.
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I love the show and will almost certainly watch it until it wraps up. And I'm vaguely familiar with the source material for the "All-Out War" storyline, meaning I'm aware of the fates of certain important characters.
That said, I just wonder if the show has reached the point where themes and events are becoming circular. The All-Out War storyline comes to an eventual end at some point. Then what?
They can always introduce another group of human antagonists (Whisperers, perhaps?), but then we're right back to where we were with the Saviors, and before them Terminus, and before them Woodbury. It's the same circular "what's the greater threat in a zombie apocalypse - The Walkers or co-existing with other humans" thing.
The obvious answer here is to address the largest plot arch - can the world ever go back to what it was before whatever brought about the Walkers? Maybe that answer is no, and I think Kirkman has mostly said that's the case. He's said before that the story is about existing in this new world, and not finding out what caused it or if it can be cured. That's fine, but if the story doesn't eventually go down the road to some sort of endgame, it will be your central group going through the same circular journey and the only thing that changes from season to season are the casualties.
I'll use Game of Thrones as an example. Unless I'm missing something from the source material, you could argue that the introduction of Negan and the Saviors was the Walking Dead's "Red Wedding". That was the lowest point for the central "protagonist" group. You the viewer/reader knew there would likely be revenge doled out in some form or another because who doesn't love that? But you also knew it was a story where the noble/honest were often trampled by those willing to take what they wanted by whatever means necessary, so the if, who, when and how of the pending revenge kept you coming back. On top of all that, there was also this kind of over-arching threat that you, the reader/viewer and a few select characters knew existed and that if it wasn't dealt with, it would ultimately doom them all.
Does that larger endgame exist in The Walking Dead? I don't know that it does. As far as this group goes, the walkers have gone from a universal threat to at worst, a threat kept at bay by a good wall and at best, something occasionally weaponized again those other jerks trying to steal our stuff. I know this group isn't thinking outside of things much larger than the walls of their respective communities. But I'd love to see them eventually introduce someone, somewhere that is trying to understand or even make tangible progress toward a bigger solution for the Walkers.
That said, I just wonder if the show has reached the point where themes and events are becoming circular. The All-Out War storyline comes to an eventual end at some point. Then what?
They can always introduce another group of human antagonists (Whisperers, perhaps?), but then we're right back to where we were with the Saviors, and before them Terminus, and before them Woodbury. It's the same circular "what's the greater threat in a zombie apocalypse - The Walkers or co-existing with other humans" thing.
The obvious answer here is to address the largest plot arch - can the world ever go back to what it was before whatever brought about the Walkers? Maybe that answer is no, and I think Kirkman has mostly said that's the case. He's said before that the story is about existing in this new world, and not finding out what caused it or if it can be cured. That's fine, but if the story doesn't eventually go down the road to some sort of endgame, it will be your central group going through the same circular journey and the only thing that changes from season to season are the casualties.
I'll use Game of Thrones as an example. Unless I'm missing something from the source material, you could argue that the introduction of Negan and the Saviors was the Walking Dead's "Red Wedding". That was the lowest point for the central "protagonist" group. You the viewer/reader knew there would likely be revenge doled out in some form or another because who doesn't love that? But you also knew it was a story where the noble/honest were often trampled by those willing to take what they wanted by whatever means necessary, so the if, who, when and how of the pending revenge kept you coming back. On top of all that, there was also this kind of over-arching threat that you, the reader/viewer and a few select characters knew existed and that if it wasn't dealt with, it would ultimately doom them all.
Does that larger endgame exist in The Walking Dead? I don't know that it does. As far as this group goes, the walkers have gone from a universal threat to at worst, a threat kept at bay by a good wall and at best, something occasionally weaponized again those other jerks trying to steal our stuff. I know this group isn't thinking outside of things much larger than the walls of their respective communities. But I'd love to see them eventually introduce someone, somewhere that is trying to understand or even make tangible progress toward a bigger solution for the Walkers.
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Good post Stoosh. I have the same feelings. I don't mind it, mainly because I don't care about every little detail. I know there are warts, but in this kind of story, like you said, there usually is an endgame, or something resembling it. In this world, there doesn't appear to be one. And that is fine for a comic book. Most comics don't have an end game. But on TV, unless you are the Simpsons, typically the audience wants one. Even if it's just a narrator saying they continued on in the new world and they walk down the road off into the sunset.
But it is circular. Just the people who become dead are different.
But it is circular. Just the people who become dead are different.
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@slappybrown needs to the read the last sentenceGood post Stoosh. I have the same feelings. I don't mind it, mainly because I don't care about every little detail. I know there are warts, but in this kind of story, like you said, there usually is an endgame, or something resembling it. In this world, there doesn't appear to be one. And that is fine for a comic book. Most comics don't have an end game. But on TV, unless you are the Simpsons, typically the audience wants one. Even if it's just a narrator saying they continued on in the new world and they walk down the road off into the sunset.
But it is circular. Just the people who become dead are different.
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I'm pretty bored with it. I like the scavenging and traveling parts of the series, which they arw done with.
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I think they realize this and acknowledged it with the scene re-creation in the season premier.That said, I just wonder if the show has reached the point where themes and events are becoming circular.
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@slappybrown needs to the read the last sentenceGood post Stoosh. I have the same feelings. I don't mind it, mainly because I don't care about every little detail. I know there are warts, but in this kind of story, like you said, there usually is an endgame, or something resembling it. In this world, there doesn't appear to be one. And that is fine for a comic book. Most comics don't have an end game. But on TV, unless you are the Simpsons, typically the audience wants one. Even if it's just a narrator saying they continued on in the new world and they walk down the road off into the sunset.
But it is circular. Just the people who become dead are different.
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I'm pretty bored with it. I like the scavenging and traveling parts of the series, which they arw done with.
Agreed... I enjoyed it better when the dead were the biggest issue. Once they established a residence in Alexandria, I got a bit bored with it all. I'll continue to watch though. Shut up, @NAN
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I agree. I still watch by obligation.I'm pretty bored with it. I like the scavenging and traveling parts of the series, which they arw done with.
Agreed... I enjoyed it better when the dead were the biggest issue. Once they established a residence in Alexandria, I got a bit bored with it all. I'll continue to watch though. Shut up, @NAN
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The dead will eventually sufficiently rot and fall apart, which is probably the real answer to establishing a safe life; aside from the psycho humans.
Note to Guinness: there's no government and living humans still want to kill other living humans.
Note to Guinness: there's no government and living humans still want to kill other living humans.
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worst episode of the series. and that includes the tara bottle episode and the governor.
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What I don't understand is that last year they were seemingly running out of things to eat, drink, sue to fight. Now all of a sudden, they have ammo and everything else covered. They've taken all of the focus away and dumped it into this war that is poorly written.I'm pretty bored with it. I like the scavenging and traveling parts of the series, which they arw done with.
Agreed... I enjoyed it better when the dead were the biggest issue. Once they established a residence in Alexandria, I got a bit bored with it all. I'll continue to watch though. Shut up, @NAN
I'm a huge fan of the series, and I'm in it until the end - but if the rumors are true about who's going to get killed this year, I'm going to have to consider this a DVR show if/when it happens.
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It's only CGI, Morkle.
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