2018-2019 Pittsburgh Pirate Baseball Club Off-Season Thread of Despair

Postby **willeyeam** » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:24 am

Nothing much to argue with there. The Buccos are probably an 85ish win team and have the salary room to sign a big FA and still be near their payroll from 3 years ago so it's frustrating watching them do nothing.
I'm sorry, I asked only for the above the line fans to weigh in.

Mods, please remove these illegal postings.

this is a personal attack

Postby **LeopardLetang** » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:24 am

About 90 on average. 110 when going for it and 70 when rebuilding. Instead they found a way to be 70 when not rebuilding or going for it

Postby **LeopardLetang** » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:26 am

I guess id accept the above. Troy probably knows where they should slot considering comparable markets

Postby **Freddy Rumsen** » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:28 am

I think payroll is a dumb measurement to point to for "trying to win" arguments. ymmv

Postby **Troy Loney** » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:33 am

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/payroll/2018/

If places like Cleveland and Baltimore can operate at the levels they are, there is no reason for the Pirates to pretend that they are as poor as Tampa and Oakland.

Postby **MrKennethTKangaroo** » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:35 am

For context, MLB annual revenues are double that of the NHL.

For context, Sidney Crosby earns roughly the same amount of money as josh Harrison did over the past two years.

Postby **NailedPenguin** » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:41 am

That is gross.

Postby **RonnieFranchise** » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:45 am

Garth Brooks has now done spring training with three crummy small market and one crummy big market team.

Why? Will Ken Griffey Jr now show up to sing at country concerts?

Is this, like, an experience that's actually for sale?

Postby **Troy Loney** » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:50 am

For context, MLB annual revenues are double that of the NHL.
For context, Sidney Crosby earns roughly the same amount of money as josh Harrison did over the past two years.

Yeah, the MLB has about the stupidest system imaginable.

Postby **Dickie Dunn** » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:50 am

Garth Brooks has now done spring training with three crummy small market and one crummy big market team.

Why? Will Ken Griffey Jr now show up to sing at country concerts?

Is this, like, an experience that's actually for sale?

Everything is for sale.

Postby **NailedPenguin** » Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:39 pm

Oh no. Heard a sound byte where Musgrove said Lariano was like the dad of the clubhouse.

Postby **Dickie Dunn** » Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:45 pm

**** me

Postby **DigitalGypsy66** » Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:45 pm

Postby **willeyeam** » Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:49 pm

Hahaha

Postby **willeyeam** » Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:05 am

Bucholz and Gio are still out there. Keuchel too but yeah.. ****ing spend money and sign one. Taillon-Archer-Williams-Musgrove-Gio/Bucholz would be money

Postby **Dickie Dunn** » Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:11 am

Bucholz and Gio are still out there. Keuchel too but yeah.. ****ing spend money and sign one. Taillon-Archer-Williams-Musgrove-Gio/Bucholz would be money

You'll get your Taillon-Archer-Williams-Musgrove-Lyles/Bullpenning and you'll like it.

Postby **Morkle** » Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:12 am

Bros, GMNH said he's happy where the team is at right now. They ain't spending money.

Postby **willeyeam** » Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:13 am

Postby **willeyeam** » Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:13 am

Bros, GMNH said he's happy where the team is at right now. They ain't spending money.

We know.

Postby **MrKennethTKangaroo** » Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:15 am

hahahaha they are just saving the spot so that they can fast track mitch keller, right? RIGHT???

hahahahah

Postby **Troy Loney** » Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:18 am

Is there any way to check to see if Kingham has options left?

I feel like they opened that spot for him, he doesn't profile as a bullpen piece.

Postby **Dickie Dunn** » Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:30 am

Is there any way to check to see if Kingham has options left?

I feel like they opened that spot for him, he doesn't profile as a bullpen piece.

He doesn't. Was granted a fourth option for last season due to his TJ surgery.

Postby **MrKennethTKangaroo** » Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:32 am

to be fair gmnh is very good at coming up with bs options for guys so who knows what he will find for kingham

Postby **Troy Loney** » Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:43 am

I suspect that's why NH dumped Nova and opened up the 5th rotation spot. I think this is them trying to not repeat the Hanson situation from 2017. In 2017 they stashed Hanson on the MLB 25 man in a role where he'd get no playing time, a role in which he was dreadful and they ended up cutting him anyways. If they tried to stash Kingham in some bullpen role where he'd only pitch twice a month, he would suck in that role and waste the roster spot. So the solution would be to give him the 5th starter job to see if he could sink or swim. Either he earns the job and plays well, or he sucks so much that teams wouldn't bother to claim him when they sent him back down.

Postby **MrKennethTKangaroo** » Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:49 am

hmm, actual baseball analysis that doesn't involve whining about money and/or ownership. not sure how to respond to this but ill give it a shot:

I see the reasoning behind the decision and it make sense. but by the same token, starting pitching depth is a luxury, and this rotation has two dudes that have had history of injuries (Musgrove, taillon). I get that nova wasn't all that good. but we have no idea if kingham or someone else could be as effective as nova.