2018-2019 Pittsburgh Pirate Baseball Club Off-Season Thread of Despair

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Postby robbiestoupe » Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:06 am

In the grand scheme of things, NH isn't a bad GM. Trades, drafts, management of the minuscule budget - dare I say he's above average. His issue is the development of players at the minor and major league level. Whether it's the people he hires or the system he has put in place, he has to be one of the worst in the business.

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Postby tifosi77 » Tue Dec 04, 2018 11:16 am

Western PA is superior to San Fran, imho.

Sorry tifosi77
Not in terms of the sheer despair brought upon my family. Take that.

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Postby Freddy Rumsen » Tue Dec 04, 2018 3:57 pm

Well, if the fires keep at it... ;)

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Postby Freddy Rumsen » Wed Dec 05, 2018 5:10 pm

Source: #Pirates and #RedSox remain engaged on Cervelli, but named involved are fluid. One consistent note is that every iteration of any potential deal involves cash being sent to Boston.

Nothing imminent
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Postby willeyeam » Wed Dec 05, 2018 5:24 pm

Cards just got Goldschmidt. Damn it

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Postby NailedPenguin » Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:47 pm

Cards just got Goldschmidt. Damn it

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Postby MrKennethTKangaroo » Wed Dec 05, 2018 10:16 pm

Welp, see ya later

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Postby Sam's Drunk Dog » Thu Dec 06, 2018 8:53 am

lonnie chisenhall is the perfect yinzer name
Maybe if it was Donnie...
Donnie Chisenhall is the all-night guy at Pants n'at

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Postby shafnutz05 » Thu Dec 06, 2018 1:31 pm

Outside of Kelly, I don't really see this as an adequate return for Goldschmidt. Would think they could have gotten another higher-level piece back.

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Postby MrKennethTKangaroo » Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:39 am

please discuss the pros and cons of trading Francisco cervelli

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Postby Viva la Ben » Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:41 am

Cervelli would have the highest salary on the Pirates payroll for 2019. Does that answer your question?

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Postby MrKennethTKangaroo » Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:44 am

No.

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Postby Viva la Ben » Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:51 am

Oh, you wanted cons too, sry.

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Postby Troy Loney » Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:23 am

please discuss the pros and cons of trading Francisco cervelli
I think the angle here is to swap short term assets, for longer term assets. I think they are shopping him in the same way that they shopped Harrison last year.

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Postby Dickie Dunn » Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:26 am

I've seen a couple writers mention that their talks with the Red Sox have involved the Pirates sending money and/or prospects along with Cervelli to get rid of him. To me that signals little of value coming in return. If they make a Liriano move with Cervelli then it's just about finances.

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Postby willeyeam » Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:35 am

please discuss the pros and cons of trading Francisco cervelli
Pros:

-salary savings
-Diaz is better so him getting the bulk of playing time would upgrade the lineup immediately

Con:
-screwed if Diaz gets hurt

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Postby Dickie Dunn » Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:39 am

They seem to really like Stallings as a backup catcher. Even seen some asinine talk about carrying 3 catchers if they can't manage to trade Cervelli.

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Postby MrKennethTKangaroo » Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:44 am

well the pirates bench is very deep with many many good players, some of the best bench players. I've had a lot of people tell me that this pirate bench is so deep that they can afford to carry three catchers.

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Postby Troy Loney » Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:00 am

I think the faster they learn that Osuna is a AAAA player the better. Stallings is better served as the #3 catcher than the backup. Newman and Kramer both need to have impressive ST to be considered for the opening day roster. So, the bench is Gonzalez, Kang, Reyes and Diaz. That's pretty good. They need a starting SS and 4th OF until Polanco returns.

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Postby Factorial » Mon Dec 10, 2018 3:10 pm

Kang won't get a chance to win that job at ss?

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Postby Troy Loney » Mon Dec 10, 2018 3:15 pm

Kang won't get a chance to win that job at ss?
I can't imagine he'd have the range to handle SS in a full time capacity.

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Postby Freddy Rumsen » Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:10 pm

#WhiteSox acquiring RHP Ivan Nova from the #Pirates, pending a review of medical records of players involved, sources tell me and @ByRobertMurray.
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Postby willeyeam » Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:14 pm

Well I don't quite like that, unless we're signing a starter. Preferably a lefty

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Postby willeyeam » Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:16 pm

screw it, sign Keuchel.. I already had them at 25 mil-ish less than 2016 payroll, and now you're cutting 9ish more off. Pay Keuchel 20 a year and you're still cheaper than 2 years ago and light years better

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Postby Troy Loney » Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:19 pm

Well, if there was one way to cut payroll and not get worse, it would be to dump Nova

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