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Postby Dickie Dunn » Wed Aug 15, 2018 4:15 pm

These guys suck.

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Postby Sam's Drunk Dog » Wed Aug 15, 2018 8:42 pm

Put a fork in em

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Postby LeopardLetang » Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:34 pm

They can turn both fringe AAA bums and superstar prospects into league average players using their system

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Postby MrKennethTKangaroo » Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:36 pm

Quick note on glasnow:

In his career, batters have swung at 23 percent of his pitches thrown outside of the zone. As a ray, that number is 33. So that rate is about 43 higher than it was in the NL. What happens when hitters stop swinging at his sht

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Postby Troy Loney » Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:53 am

They can turn both fringe AAA bums and superstar prospects into league average players using their system
This is a good observation.

There are clearly angles with the pitching staff where this is applicable, but I'm just interested in the offensive aspect at the moment.

I think that Marte, Dickerson and Cervelli can fit the category of established veteran guys, not superstars, but consistent offensive performers. Freese too, but he has only shown aptitude when used in a part time role.

Bell and Polanco, two jewels of the system, waffle between looking like superstars, and looking like they don't belong on the major league roster. Everyday outcomes tend to align with how these two are performing at the plate, because as the starting RF and 1B they are manning the positions that MLB lineups tend to depend upon. I feel like the floor on these guys is still for them to be playable as starters, and the ceiling as anchors at the 3 and 4 spots in the lineup. For this iteration of the team to succeed, they really need for their slumping floors to be playable, and that going forward there wont be mid-season debates about whether they need to be demoted.

Right now, Harrison, Mercer and Moran look like league average starters at best. If any of those three go into 2019 with significant roles, we should all be pissed.

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Postby Dickie Dunn » Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:16 am

Based on Fangraphs WAR, it's pretty obvious that those three are nowhere near average for their position. For 3B with 350+ ABs, Moran is 25 of 26, for qualified SS Mercer is 18 of 25, and for 2B with 300+ ABs Harrison is 26 of 30. Mercer is somehow the least incompetent at his position. I'd be fine with him returning as a backup middle infielder to Kramer and Newman, but as long as Hurdle is running the show we all know Jordy will play until he dies. Moran is terrible at all aspects of his position but he's going to keep getting chances until Hayes is ready.

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Postby Troy Loney » Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:31 am

Moran has at least been demoted to a part time role. I think the worst case scenario is that he platoons with Freese next year, which would then force them to call up Hayes from AAA mid season, whether he is ready or not. The other unfortunate thing is that the presence of Hayes will prevent them from making a significant upgrade to 3B.

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Postby Dickie Dunn » Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:51 am

I'd say Freese has earned his $6MM option for next season, but given the penny pinching the Pirates do, I'd rather see that money used on obtaining someone who could be a legitimate everyday 3B for a season before handing the role over to Hayes.

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Postby NailedPenguin » Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:57 am

This Day in Pirates History:
Buster Olney
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A.J. Burnett strikes out Hanley, then screams at him, "Sit the ---- down." Hanley gets fined by the umpire after throwing his bat.

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Postby MrKennethTKangaroo » Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:19 am

prior to the archer trade, I was under the assumption that the pirates were content to see if someone in the rotation to actually pitch well enough to differentiate themselves. then they traded for archer. I still am assuming that the pirates will be content to see if Kramer or newman will be good enough to play and wont bother finding a FA. Same with 3b. But with their newfound willingness to go externally to add meaningful players, perhaps it will be different this time. Or perhaps not.

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Postby dodint » Thu Aug 16, 2018 12:47 pm

Madden back off the Pirates bandwagon. Was a wild and crazy week or so.

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Postby Troy Loney » Thu Aug 16, 2018 3:49 pm

Mercer to the DL. Newman in Pittsburgh.

I'm not expecting much.

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Postby Dickie Dunn » Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:03 pm

Free Kevin Kramer.

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Postby Dickie Dunn » Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:24 pm

In standard Hurdle fashion, Hechavarria is starting tonight at SS.

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Postby LeopardLetang » Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:27 pm

Hech was 0-4 with risp last night. He's due

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Postby Dickie Dunn » Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:32 am

This team's ability for everyone (specifically the trio of Dickerson, Marte, and Polanco) to get cold at the same time is astounding. August numbers:

Dickerson: 182/191/205/396, 023 ISO, 25.5 K%, 1 XBH, 2 RBI
Marte: 218/246/327/573, 109 ISO, 4 XBH, 6 RBI, 3 for 5 on stolen base attempts
Polanco: 135/193/212/405, 077 ISO, 35.1 K%, 3 XBH, 8 RBI

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Postby MrKennethTKangaroo » Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:06 am

Jose tabata's career slugging percentage: 377

Colin Moran's 2018 slugging percentage: 387

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Postby robbiestoupe » Fri Aug 17, 2018 12:49 pm

from neck lips to neck beard, all that changes is the name on the uniform

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Postby Dickie Dunn » Fri Aug 17, 2018 3:36 pm

SRod (eligible to come off DL yesterday) taking batting practice.

If he’s back on the roster before September I quit.

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Postby MrKennethTKangaroo » Fri Aug 17, 2018 3:37 pm

he will have a "setback" for sure

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Postby Freddy Rumsen » Fri Aug 17, 2018 3:37 pm

If they send down Newman without playing him for SRod... I'll be done.

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Postby MrKennethTKangaroo » Fri Aug 17, 2018 3:38 pm

altho I would be ok to see him replace newman just for the hell of it

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Postby Dickie Dunn » Fri Aug 17, 2018 6:22 pm

Once again, no Newman in the starting lineup.


Go the **** away Hurdle.

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Postby NailedPenguin » Fri Aug 17, 2018 6:42 pm

Why the hell is Grilli there?

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Postby Ad@m » Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:27 pm

:face: The Pirates have hit into 6 DP’s.

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