2017-2018 Pittsburgh Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby **NailedPenguin** » Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:17 pm

What is the return? I can't find anything.

Postby **Morkle** » Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:18 pm

What I don't get and this is likely a business decision. Why not just hold these guys until the deadline and get something then? If Cutch's value is low - why not just hold him until the trade deadline and go to highest bidder?

Just seems like poor asset management?

Postby **joopen** » Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:19 pm

What is the return? I can't find anything.

No I am betting that you absolutely found it... nothing

Postby **Dickie Dunn** » Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:19 pm

What I don't get and this is likely a business decision. Why not just hold these guys until the deadline and get something then? If Cutch's value is low - why not just hold him until the trade deadline and go to highest bidder?

Just seems like poor asset management?

If you hold them until the deadline you have to pay them until the deadline.

Postby **Morkle** » Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:19 pm

Apparently none of their top ten prospects. So, effectively nothing worth even discussing probably.

Postby **joopen** » Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:19 pm

What I don't get and this is likely a business decision. Why not just hold these guys until the deadline and get something then? If Cutch's value is low - why not just hold him until the trade deadline and go to highest bidder?

Just seems like poor asset management?

Are you surprised by this organization having poor asset management?

Postby **Morkle** » Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:22 pm

What I don't get and this is likely a business decision. Why not just hold these guys until the deadline and get something then? If Cutch's value is low - why not just hold him until the trade deadline and go to highest bidder?

Just seems like poor asset management?
If you hold them until the deadline you have to pay them until the deadline.

Right, but the mantra of "we're remaining competitive the future" is better held. Real talk, how do people that are faithful and supportive of this team continue to spew poop out of their mouths? I don't get it.

Postby **Blue Canary** » Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:27 pm

I may not renew my MLB radio package.

I just cancelled my MLB.tv package.

Postby **Kraftster** » Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:31 pm

I swear as soon as I saw this, I thought Kyle Crick has to be part of the deal. Somehow despite changes in the front office, the profile of players acquired in trades has remained constant for a quarter century.

Postby **CBear3** » Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:33 pm

Baseball sucks.

Postby **Dickie Dunn** » Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:34 pm

I swear as soon as I saw this, I thought Kyle Crick has to be part of the deal. Somehow despite changes in the front office, the profile of players acquired in trades has remained constant for a quarter century.

Apparently he is, which makes sense. 25 years old, can’t be a free agent until 2024. We’re trying to construct a 25 man roster where everyone makes league minimum.

Postby **Blue Canary** » Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:35 pm

Thank you, guys, for the fun times in the Bucco GDTs the past 4-5 years.

Postby **Kraftster** » Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:40 pm

I swear as soon as I saw this, I thought Kyle Crick has to be part of the deal. Somehow despite changes in the front office, the profile of players acquired in trades has remained constant for a quarter century.
Apparently he is, which makes sense. 25 years old, can’t be a free agent until 2024. We’re trying to construct a 25 man roster where everyone makes league minimum.

Three years removed from being in the top 100 prospect list. Post-hype sleeper, baby!

Postby **RonnieFranchise** » Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:45 pm

What is the return? I can't find anything.

That's the joke....

Postby **iamjs** » Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:47 pm

Postby **Morkle** » Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:49 pm

Players commenting on this trade is awesome.

https://twitter.com/Rivero43/status/953020855491219456

Postby **NailedPenguin** » Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:50 pm

What is the return? I can't find anything.
That's the joke....

Yeah, that was MY joke....

spoiler: It really wasnt

Postby **Gaucho** » Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:52 pm

I'm so glad I'm not a die-hard Pirates fan.

Postby **Gaucho** » Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:55 pm

I'm sorry.

Postby **Dickie Dunn** » Mon Jan 15, 2018 5:00 pm

Bob Nightengale
@BNightengale

The #Pirates are receiving pitcher Kyle Crick and one other mid-range prospect from the #SFGiants for Andrew McCutchen

I'm sure this is another 'B' trade for TL.

Postby **iamjs** » Mon Jan 15, 2018 5:07 pm

supposedly Creek, Crick, or whatever his name is was #16 on the Giants' prospect list.

Postby **slappybrown** » Mon Jan 15, 2018 5:15 pm

What I don't get and this is likely a business decision. Why not just hold these guys until the deadline and get something then? If Cutch's value is low - why not just hold him until the trade deadline and go to highest bidder?

Just seems like poor asset management?
If you hold them until the deadline you have to pay them until the deadline.

Is the organization so hard up for cash that paying cutch 8-9mm and very likely getting a better deal at the deadline for the betterment of the club is NOT the decision? That's even worse than I thought. Factor in the loss of ticket sales now that you've sold off the only two stars the team has, and this is a fire sale plain and simple.

Postby **MrKennethTKangaroo** » Mon Jan 15, 2018 5:15 pm

I side with madden on this one. Not sure why everyone is so pissed off and why everyone is accusing the pirates of a salary dump. Will they have to pay his 2018 salary? No. But we all know he was an FA after this season.

And we all know that this 2018 wasn’t going to amount to diddly poo with muccuten and cole. So it should come to no surprise.

And it should come to no surprise that we aren’t getting a king’s ransom in return for a 31 year old with a —0.7 WAR season and 2.5 WAR season in 2016 and 2017.

If anyone wants to whine about cheapness, whine about the 2016 offseason when they decided to let happ walk and made no tangible improvements to the team. That offseason set this team up for two wasted seasons.

Postby **MrKennethTKangaroo** » Mon Jan 15, 2018 5:17 pm

this is a fire sale plain and simple.

This IS a fire sale

Not sure why anyone has a problem with a fire sale. THe 2018 team is going to be awful, but it wasn’t going to be any good anyways.

Postby **slappybrown** » Mon Jan 15, 2018 5:18 pm

this is a fire sale plain and simple.
This IS a fire sale

Not sure why anyone has a problem with a fire sale. THe 2018 team is going to be awful, but it wasn’t going to be any good anyways.

It does not appear they are selling at the most opportune time to maximize what they get for the fire sale.