you're right. we need decriminalization even more.Much like with the Welfare State in Sweden or the educational system in Finland I do not always think it really is an apples to apples comparison with these small, European countries and our quite large (geographically and population) nation.
it already works over here in the areas that have implemented it.you're right. we need decriminalization even more.Much like with the Welfare State in Sweden or the educational system in Finland I do not always think it really is an apples to apples comparison with these small, European countries and our quite large (geographically and population) nation.
Just because something works over there doesn't mean it would work here.
AgreedI certainly agree. It's difficult to make the comparison exactly apples to apples, but it's an interesting place to at least start and think about the discussion.Much like with the Welfare State in Sweden or the educational system in Finland I do not always think it really is an apples to apples comparison with these small, European countries and our quite large (geographically and population) nation.
it already works over here in the areas that have implemented it.you're right. we need decriminalization even more.Much like with the Welfare State in Sweden or the educational system in Finland I do not always think it really is an apples to apples comparison with these small, European countries and our quite large (geographically and population) nation.
Just because something works over there doesn't mean it would work here.
the small scale experiments with marijuana are relevant indicatorsit already works over here in the areas that have implemented it.you're right. we need decriminalization even more.Much like with the Welfare State in Sweden or the educational system in Finland I do not always think it really is an apples to apples comparison with these small, European countries and our quite large (geographically and population) nation.
Just because something works over there doesn't mean it would work here.
I didn't know places in the U.S. decriminalized all drugs. Please enlighten me...
True, but it doesn't mean we can't learn from them.Much like with the Welfare State in Sweden or the educational system in Finland I do not always think it really is an apples to apples comparison with these small, European countries and our quite large (geographically and population) nation.
Didn't say we could not.True, but it doesn't mean we can't learn from them.Much like with the Welfare State in Sweden or the educational system in Finland I do not always think it really is an apples to apples comparison with these small, European countries and our quite large (geographically and population) nation.
30 minutes into this...the one guy whose sister is talking on his behalf about being abused and being in a cult and whatnot. maybe there will be more to this later, but she seems completely full of s***, and the lawyer in the background is just playing this up to get the guy off the hook.How about for a teenage murderer? Should they be allowed a chance at "rehabilitation," or should they pay for their cruelty forever?
This is the first case profiled in the doc, and it sickened me more than any true crime story I've ever seen. Hearing them think they should be freed after this is outrageous. They thought it would be fun to mash up Columbine and a Scream movie, so they stabbed a friend to death, and filmed themselves planning it and afterward http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_ ... o_Stoddart
it's not up to the companies. the white collar world is increasingly governed by risk management. background checks are standard practice not only for internal employees but also vendors. so those vendors then need to filter out anyone with a criminal history as well as the company hiring them.Wouldn't that be more of a problem in regards to the hiring practices of companies than it would be in regards to the prison/incarceration system?
a common line of bulls*** thrown around by prohibitionists is that no one is serving jail time for possessions of small amounts of marijuana. while that's generally the case (for first-timers at least), it's irrelevant. many would be better off spending a year in jail with no criminal record than having no jail time, but with a scarlet letter tattooed on their forehead forever.One of the larger problems that does not get talked about enough (imo) are the life-long consequences of incarceration. Say you get done for some crime or other as a 19-year old. Non-violent offense, but still a felony; let's say you stole something expensive from a store. You go away for 14 months...... you are now, in most cases, never going to be able to find a job once you're out. Sure, there are businesses who might overlook a felony conviction. But once that's on your record, you can cross off Walmart, McDonald's, most office jobs, etc. So you are released from prison, and now have no way of earning a living and supporting yourself.
part of me is sympathetic, the other doesn't really care.One of the larger problems that does not get talked about enough (imo) are the life-long consequences of incarceration. Say you get done for some crime or other as a 19-year old. Non-violent offense, but still a felony; let's say you stole something expensive from a store. You go away for 14 months...... you are now, in most cases, never going to be able to find a job once you're out. Sure, there are businesses who might overlook a felony conviction. But once that's on your record, you can cross off Walmart, McDonald's, most office jobs, etc. So you are released from prison, and now have no way of earning a living and supporting yourself.
Heard a story on the radio yesterday. Guy didn't handle his accounting properly, ended up having a $500,000 tax bill that he couldn't pay. Sentenced to 11-months in the federal slammer. He will be released in a few months with the tax bill still unpaid, but he'll likely have no way to earn a decent living to ever pay that off.Don't commit a felony. Then you wouldn't have this problem.
Depends on the jurisdiction, what the property is that's being stolen, a whole lot of factors.what's the threshold for felony theft? is it a dollar amount?
I think you're saying the same thing I did, but worded it much better.it's not up to the companies. the white collar world is increasingly governed by risk management. background checks are standard practice not only for internal employees but also vendors. so those vendors then need to filter out anyone with a criminal history as well as the company hiring them.Wouldn't that be more of a problem in regards to the hiring practices of companies than it would be in regards to the prison/incarceration system?
there's no wiggle room for compassion, especially when there are more candidates than ever for these positions
You've obviously never been divorced,Sometimes you make mistakes or bad decisions. You shouldn't have to bear a negative consequence for that for the rest of your life.
Which will still show up on a background check for the rest of your life.Mistakes are usually misdemeanors.
certain offenses should not go on your record. that's the biggest problem. i don't really have an issue with the hiring practices, since it is the private business' prerogative to have their own standards. i also believe in the idea of managing risks by applying filters like that - even though it's imperfect and unfairI think you're saying the same thing I did, but worded it much better.it's not up to the companies. the white collar world is increasingly governed by risk management. background checks are standard practice not only for internal employees but also vendors. so those vendors then need to filter out anyone with a criminal history as well as the company hiring them.Wouldn't that be more of a problem in regards to the hiring practices of companies than it would be in regards to the prison/incarceration system?
there's no wiggle room for compassion, especially when there are more candidates than ever for these positions
Hiring practices and risk management in hiring is the issue with what tif was pointing out, not necessarily the prison system, no?
If rehabilitation is supposedly any aspect of doing prison time, carrying a record around pretty much nullifies that concept.Which will still show up on a background check for the rest of your life.Mistakes are usually misdemeanors.
