Fifth Avenue Forum

Posted: **Tue Jun 05, 2018 10:43 pm**

The latest video angle that shows the Cavs bench after regulation of game 1 is telling. Lebron says nothing until he asks if they had a timeout left, then hangs his head in apparent disgust when he finds out they did. No way he goes back to Cleveland, imo. Also, his reaction, and how he played against the Celtics a few years ago... there are times (very rare) that he seems to give up. That’s why I don’t think he gets ahead of Jordan in the all time greatest discussion.

So your take is lebron wasn't trying in ot?

Posted: **Tue Jun 05, 2018 10:44 pm**

He didn't blow it in the sense that it was a failure, but leaving twice just looks v bad. If he went from the Heat to Philly no one would care imo
Cleveland hadnt won anything in 60 years. I don't think he owes them anything or think it looks "v bad." He delivered imo.
I agree. He did what they wanted him to do. I think he goes to Houston.

Aligning oneself with James Harden is evidence of bankrupt morality.

Posted: **Tue Jun 05, 2018 10:50 pm**

He tried at very end, but said he wasn’t positive they had one so didn’t want a technical. I don’t blame him for being pissed at Lue. He should’ve called timeout as soon as JR dribbled out. That’s on him. However, Lebron’s gotta suck it up and move on to overtime.

Posted: **Tue Jun 05, 2018 10:51 pm**

The latest video angle that shows the Cavs bench after regulation of game 1 is telling. Lebron says nothing until he asks if they had a timeout left, then hangs his head in apparent disgust when he finds out they did. No way he goes back to Cleveland, imo. Also, his reaction, and how he played against the Celtics a few years ago... there are times (very rare) that he seems to give up. That’s why I don’t think he gets ahead of Jordan in the all time greatest discussion.
So your take is lebron wasn't trying in ot?

No, not saying he wasn’t trying, but I think he was defeated.

Posted: **Tue Jun 05, 2018 10:53 pm**

I don't really know what that means and my strong suspicion is thats because it doesn't mean anything.

Posted: **Tue Jun 05, 2018 10:55 pm**

He knew that was their chance to win the game and they blew it.

Posted: **Tue Jun 05, 2018 11:18 pm**

That video shows the bench after OT and it looks like they just lost game 7 in triple overtime. They were defeated before OT started. None of the coaches or leaders stepped up and snapped everyone out of it that's for sure

Posted: **Tue Jun 05, 2018 11:28 pm**

anyone who argues Lebron is AHEAD of Jordan is dumb. Lebron is, at best, tied with Jordan (he's slightly behind him still in my book)

Posted: **Wed Jun 06, 2018 6:29 am**

That video shows the bench after OT and it looks like they just lost game 7 in triple overtime. They were defeated before OT started. None of the coaches or leaders stepped up and snapped everyone out of it that's for sure

This is true.

Posted: **Wed Jun 06, 2018 6:30 am**

anyone who argues Lebron is AHEAD of Jordan is dumb. Lebron is, at best, tied with Jordan (he's slightly behind him still in my book)

I think a lot of these rankings are meaningless, tbh. I've heard the argument that Jordan got to play with some of the most well-coached, talented teams of all time, and that's true. LeBron did have his time in Miami though.

Posted: **Wed Jun 06, 2018 6:33 am**

At the same time if you remove Jordan and LeBron from both of their teams and they play one another, Jordan's team would win.

Posted: **Wed Jun 06, 2018 7:10 am**

anyone who argues Lebron is AHEAD of Jordan is dumb. Lebron is, at best, tied with Jordan (he's slightly behind him still in my book)

anyone who wont even hear the argument is dumb

lebron took a team to the NBA finals that had a starting line up of:

larry hughes
sasha pavlovic
lebron
drew gooden
z

drew freaking gooden was the 2nd best player on his team

Posted: **Wed Jun 06, 2018 7:29 am**

Agree with litt

Posted: **Wed Jun 06, 2018 7:43 am**

Uhh yeah

Posted: **Wed Jun 06, 2018 7:43 am**

Lest we forget Eric Snow and Boobie Gibson

Posted: **Wed Jun 06, 2018 7:54 am**

that team was hella bad

Posted: **Wed Jun 06, 2018 8:37 am**

https://www.basketball-reference.com/te ... /2007.html

Shannon Brown what a bust

Posted: **Wed Jun 06, 2018 8:37 am**

My man Sasha Pavlovic though

Posted: **Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:00 am**

https://www.basketball-reference.com/te ... /2007.html

Shannon Brown what a bust

Lebron didn't even have the highest FG% on his team. He also sucked at free throws!!11!

Posted: **Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:21 am**

Posted: **Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:32 am**

Also with regards to Lebron leaving Cleveland. Those I know from Cleveland accept the fact he will not be back, understand the decision, and blame management for asset management

Posted: **Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:35 am**

I don't really follow too much, but where did Cleveland blow it?

Should they not have made the Love trade, and also done better with Kyrie?

Posted: **Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:40 am**

I think they handled the Kyrie thing badly.
What could they do to retain Lebron?

Posted: **Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:49 am**

Maybe let Lebron pick his teammates. Oh, wait...

Posted: **Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:49 am**

I don't really follow too much, but where did Cleveland blow it?

Should they not have made the Love trade, and also done better with Kyrie?

Lebron did not want Kyrie gone. He's said that on numerous occasions, and was quite upset with management for doing it.