Fifth Avenue Forum

Posted: **Mon Oct 12, 2020 7:29 am**

This isn’t directed at you, Troy. But wow, (the proverbial) we can’t even enjoy an NBA championship without the stink of partisan, harebrained, social media influenced politics invading it.

Posted: **Mon Oct 12, 2020 7:38 am**

I’m a big fan of Rudy’s space bar use. Also, Communist China is my favorite city in Beijing.

Posted: **Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:04 am**

One could say his space bar usage is liberal.

Posted: **Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:19 am**

Jordan won 6 championships. This has always been the default people go to when talking about GOAT. Jordan has championships, Lebron doesn't. Lebron now has 4... if he ties Jordan, does the discussion start to change?

Posted: **Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:23 am**

Jordan would've 8 if he didn't get silly ideas. Had not gotten. Whatever.

Posted: **Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:26 am**

Shoulda, coulda, woulda...

Posted: **Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:27 am**

Jordan won 6 championships. This has always been the default people go to when talking about GOAT. Jordan has championships, Lebron doesn't. Lebron now has 4... if he ties Jordan, does the discussion start to change?

I actually think the discussion should change based on how many times he's gone to the finals, with different teams, different players, different scenarios.

Posted: **Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:33 am**

Jordan won 6 championships. This has always been the default people go to when talking about GOAT. Jordan has championships, Lebron doesn't. Lebron now has 4... if he ties Jordan, does the discussion start to change?
I actually think the discussion should change based on how many times he's gone to the finals, with different teams, different players, different scenarios.

Like the discussion of how the Lakers stunk until Lebron convinced Anthony Davis to pout and demand a trade to only the lakers?

Posted: **Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:36 am**

Lebron is probably more physical gifted, but lacked Jordan's superhuman drive to win.

Posted: **Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:51 am**

LeBron might have had 8 if he had Rodman and Pippen. It is what it is, they're the 2 best ever. Comparing by # of championships is silly and lazy

Posted: **Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:52 am**

Lebron is probably more physical gifted, but lacked Jordan's superhuman drive to win.

I think that's accurate. I think there were only two players that had what the killer drive. Kobe/Jordan, and that's about it.

Posted: **Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:53 am**

I mean LeBron spent what, 8 years of his career with absolute dog sht in Cleveland? He dragged Sasha Pavlovic and Boobie Gibson to the final and then gets the finals loss held against him. Against Tim Duncan, Manu, Tony Parker.. Dumb

Posted: **Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:53 am**

Jordan won 6 championships. This has always been the default people go to when talking about GOAT. Jordan has championships, Lebron doesn't. Lebron now has 4... if he ties Jordan, does the discussion start to change?
I actually think the discussion should change based on how many times he's gone to the finals, with different teams, different players, different scenarios.
Like the discussion of how the Lakers stunk until Lebron convinced Anthony Davis to pout and demand a trade to only the lakers?

imo, the necessity of the star players being grouped together is essential in this NBA generation. Can't really fault a guy for recognizing that.

How they went about it, is less than desired.

Posted: **Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:53 am**

I hope that doesn't some off as a knock on Lebron, just that Jordan was like a psycho.

Posted: **Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:53 am**

LeBron might have had 8 if he had Rodman and Pippen. It is what it is, they're the 2 best ever. Comparing by # of championships is silly and lazy

How many championships would Jordan have if he negotiated trades for guys like Anthony Davis when times are tough

Posted: **Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:55 am**

Or go play baseball for three years in his prime?

Posted: **Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:55 am**

LeBron might have had 8 if he had Rodman and Pippen. It is what it is, they're the 2 best ever. Comparing by # of championships is silly and lazy
How many championships would Jordan have if he negotiated trades for guys like Anthony Davis when times are tough

Nah, Jordan would've just went to the Pistons after they kicked his ass. That's how current NBA works.

Posted: **Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:55 am**

LeBron might have had 8 if he had Rodman and Pippen. It is what it is, they're the 2 best ever. Comparing by # of championships is silly and lazy
How many championships would Jordan have if he negotiated trades for guys like Anthony Davis when times are tough

did times ever get tough with the rosters he had?

Posted: **Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:59 am**

The argument about roster builds seems weird.

He had literally one of the greatest rosters assembled for the majority of his playing time. Then left when they decided to break that roster up.

Posted: **Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:10 am**

Turn to page 51-52 in this very thread for the same debate.

Posted: **Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:04 am**

I think we can agree at this point that it certainly is not clear cut like it once was, yes?

Posted: **Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:28 am**

Yay, hometown sportsball winning team!

Posted: **Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:53 am**

I'm over 35, Jordan was the best.

Posted: **Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:04 am**

My gut feeling top 10 would be:

1. Jordan
2. Lebron
3. Bird
4. Russell
5. Magic
6. Wilt
7. Kareem
8. Hakeem
9. Oscar Robertson
10. Shaq

I have Kobe in 11-20

Also everyone but Lebron and Jordan are +/- 2 positions. They're all really close. I do think Lebron and Jordan are declaritively 1 and 2 though

posted this in 2015: viewtopic.php?p=50337#p50337

I'd probably stick with it. Lebron vs. Jordan is tough but my gut still says Jordan. At this point it's just a counting exercise. If Lebron gets to 6 I would consider him greater but until then 6 > 4