NBA

Orlando Penguin
Posts: 6039
Joined: Wed Mar 25, 2015 8:04 pm
Location: Orlando, FL

NBA

Postby Orlando Penguin » Tue Apr 28, 2020 10:48 am

all that writing to compare team championships ;)
Years and years of 'explain your position' adds to test questions during my student days.

tifosi77
Posts: 36093
Joined: Wed Mar 25, 2015 1:07 pm
Location: Home
Contact:

NBA

Postby tifosi77 » Tue Apr 28, 2020 11:14 am

So it's no secret that I'm not a basketball fan, but I am finding this Last Dance thing utterly fascinating. With that in mind, as a complete tourist, can someone please explain to me how the Detroit Pistons of the late 80s-early 90s were not all sent to jail? The highlight packages they are putting together don't show a 'tough team playing hard', they show absolute criminal conduct and a team playing utter cheat ball. This isn't clutch-and-grab scrubs negating elite talent in the NHL of the 90s, these guys were playing in a way that was physically dangerous to their opponents.

dodint
Posts: 40934
Joined: Wed Mar 25, 2015 1:39 pm
Location: Are you jerking my bobber?
Contact:

NBA

Postby dodint » Tue Apr 28, 2020 11:25 am

But it's BEAUTIFUL.

MWB
Posts: 5486
Joined: Wed Mar 25, 2015 10:04 pm

NBA

Postby MWB » Tue Apr 28, 2020 11:28 am

Basketball was played differently and officiated much differently, and they certainly picked the most egregious clips. Those were “hard fouls.” They didn’t have the rules about flagrant fouls they have now, with extreme penalties, so the risk/reward was worth it. Go back further in nba history and it’s even worse. Stern eventually figured out that fans like scoring and offense more than they like hand checks and punches.

Orlando Penguin
Posts: 6039
Joined: Wed Mar 25, 2015 8:04 pm
Location: Orlando, FL

NBA

Postby Orlando Penguin » Wed Apr 29, 2020 12:22 am

I'd agree with @MWB in his evaluation, @tifosi77. While the Pistons were more known for brutalizing teams when they entered the lane with Laimbeer, Mahorn, Rodman, Salley, and Edwards, they were also a very highly-skilled team. I mean, they didn't make it to 4 or 5 straight ECF's by winning 70-67 slugfests. But they were marketed on the Bad Boys theme because everybody likes a little violence (looking at you, Broad Street Bullies). The defense they concocted to take care of Jordan was very smart and well thought out. They took advantage of the way the rules were written in regards to fouls and if MJ got into the lane, he went to the ground. Between those 5 guys, they had 30 fouls to give and they were gonna use all of them if it meant keeping MJ from taking over. MWB is also right in that the NBA's history is chock full of hard fouls and fights. Name an NBA star of the 80s and he probably got into at least 3-5 fights in his career. Go back a little further and line brawls weren't an abnormal scene. A lot of the reason why the NBA Finals were on tape delay until 1982 or 83 was because the game wasn't that popular due to the drugs and the fighting involved. Many thought after the Bulls dispatched the Pistons and went on their aesthetically-pleasing run that the brutal defenses would come to an end. And then the Knicks and Heat and a few others came along after the 1998-99 lockout and the game bogged down a bit more. I won't cop to having watched much NBA over the past 15 years or so but in games I have watched the last few years, it seems the game has gotten back to a more free-wheeling, 80's/early 90's flow.

tifosi77
Posts: 36093
Joined: Wed Mar 25, 2015 1:07 pm
Location: Home
Contact:

NBA

Postby tifosi77 » Wed Apr 29, 2020 1:37 pm

To be clear, I'm approaching this from the perspective of a man who abjectly dislikes the sport of basketball and who has been to one NBA game in their life. (I know nothing about the game, but I will say that in person it was pretty easy to see that John Stockton was on a different planet as a playmaker) So this is more of a human interest angle for me. haha

MWB
Posts: 5486
Joined: Wed Mar 25, 2015 10:04 pm

NBA

Postby MWB » Wed Apr 29, 2020 3:06 pm

John Stockton is also known as one of the dirtier nba players, lol.

There’s no doubt this is a great human interest story, especially how the director has put it together. I don’t think one needs to be an nba fan get appreciate it.

dodint
Posts: 40934
Joined: Wed Mar 25, 2015 1:39 pm
Location: Are you jerking my bobber?
Contact:

NBA

Postby dodint » Wed Apr 29, 2020 3:13 pm

I appreciate it and I disklike the NBA. Just finished episode 4.

Helps that the last NBA game I watched was in the late 90s, too.

MalkinIsMyHomeboy
Posts: 14917
Joined: Wed Mar 25, 2015 1:45 pm
Location: (=^_^=)

NBA

Postby MalkinIsMyHomeboy » Thu Apr 30, 2020 2:05 pm

I mean, it's generally a story about Jordan. Which all sports fans should appreciate

It'd be similar with a Babe Ruth, Gretzky, Tiger...Brady?...doc. Just pure interest because it's about the best of the best of the best

Sam's Drunk Dog
Posts: 4885
Joined: Wed Mar 25, 2015 7:10 pm
Location: Less Coronavirus; More Donnie Iris
Contact:

NBA

Postby Sam's Drunk Dog » Sat May 09, 2020 5:54 pm


Ad@m
Posts: 1163
Joined: Mon Apr 24, 2017 4:21 pm

NBA

Postby Ad@m » Mon May 11, 2020 12:48 pm

😂 So...... Good

Michael Jordan laughing off Gary Payton's defense

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/the- ... ba-finals/

Scroll down to ESPN tweet

Ad@m
Posts: 1163
Joined: Mon Apr 24, 2017 4:21 pm

NBA

Postby Ad@m » Mon May 11, 2020 1:01 pm


MWB
Posts: 5486
Joined: Wed Mar 25, 2015 10:04 pm

NBA

Postby MWB » Mon May 11, 2020 1:01 pm

That was pretty funny. Episodes 7 and 8 were the best so far, imo.

willeyeam
Posts: 18335
Joined: Wed Mar 25, 2015 12:49 pm
Location: canceled

NBA

Postby willeyeam » Sun May 17, 2020 11:01 pm

****. Now what?

MWB
Posts: 5486
Joined: Wed Mar 25, 2015 10:04 pm

NBA

Postby MWB » Sun May 17, 2020 11:23 pm

That whole thing was amazing. And my view of Jordan was actually heightened more than ever.

MWB
Posts: 5486
Joined: Wed Mar 25, 2015 10:04 pm

NBA

Postby MWB » Mon May 18, 2020 10:13 am

And people saying the Bulls would have won at least 8 straight if Jordan hadn’t retired are insane. Jordan has to get out. He couldn’t have maintained his mentality and stayed in the game. I think the doc made that pretty clear.

willeyeam
Posts: 18335
Joined: Wed Mar 25, 2015 12:49 pm
Location: canceled

NBA

Postby willeyeam » Mon May 18, 2020 10:18 am

That was so good. I don't think Pippen would have stuck around, and any prolonged stretch with Rodman going forward would pretty much be on borrowed time, I don't know if you could keep counting on him.

dodint
Posts: 40934
Joined: Wed Mar 25, 2015 1:39 pm
Location: Are you jerking my bobber?
Contact:

NBA

Postby dodint » Mon May 18, 2020 10:26 am

I didn't know the stuff about Malcolm Kerr. :(

Orlando Penguin
Posts: 6039
Joined: Wed Mar 25, 2015 8:04 pm
Location: Orlando, FL

NBA

Postby Orlando Penguin » Mon May 18, 2020 10:28 am

I didn't know the stuff about Malcolm Kerr. :(
When Kerr played at Arizona, Arizona State fans decided it was within their right to chant things like 'PLO' and other things related to his father's deat at him in warmups.

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm ... story.html

https://oklahoman.com/article/2217444/n ... e-asu-fans

willeyeam
Posts: 18335
Joined: Wed Mar 25, 2015 12:49 pm
Location: canceled

NBA

Postby willeyeam » Mon May 18, 2020 10:33 am

I didn't know the stuff about Malcolm Kerr. :(
That was sad. Explains a lot of Kerr's stances and outspokenness now. Surprised that's never really been a story

MWB
Posts: 5486
Joined: Wed Mar 25, 2015 10:04 pm

NBA

Postby MWB » Mon May 18, 2020 10:37 am

That was so good. I don't think Pippen would have stuck around, and any prolonged stretch with Rodman going forward would pretty much be on borrowed time, I don't know if you could keep counting on him.
Yeah, I agree with that. Rodman is was done after 98. The only way it could’ve worked out that year was if jordan could’ve convinced Pippen and Jackson to stay for one more year, which would’ve required Reinsdorf to pony up. Plus, they still would’ve needed a rebounder. Might have worked in a shortened season. Ironically, for all the **** that Kraus took, his (and Reinsdorf’s) actions probably produced the best ending for that group. They go out on top and never actually lose. Just sucks they couldn’t defend it.

MWB
Posts: 5486
Joined: Wed Mar 25, 2015 10:04 pm

NBA

Postby MWB » Mon May 18, 2020 10:39 am

I didn't know the stuff about Malcolm Kerr. :(
That was sad. Explains a lot of Kerr's stances and outspokenness now. Surprised that's never really been a story
It’s bubbled up at different times, but yes, definitely explains why he is who he is.

MWB
Posts: 5486
Joined: Wed Mar 25, 2015 10:04 pm

NBA

Postby MWB » Mon May 18, 2020 10:52 am

Pippen didn’t come across great in this, but he was the perfect compliment to Jordan. His faults, for lack of a better word (migraine, refusing to go in, back), showed he was never a threat to Jordan on that team. He was never going to try to be The Man.

Orlando Penguin
Posts: 6039
Joined: Wed Mar 25, 2015 8:04 pm
Location: Orlando, FL

NBA

Postby Orlando Penguin » Mon May 18, 2020 10:56 am

And people saying the Bulls would have won at least 8 straight if Jordan hadn’t retired are insane. Jordan has to get out. He couldn’t have maintained his mentality and stayed in the game. I think the doc made that pretty clear.
Are you calling out the insane people for saying the Bulls would have won after 98 or if he wouldn't have left after 93? The 93-94 Bulls team had pretty much the same roster AND the addition of Kukoc. If not for a BS Hue Hollins foul call in Game 5 of the series against the Knicks, they likely beat them again and move on to the ECF even without Jordan. With Jordan, there's no question they at least get through the East in 94 and have to deal with the Rockets. I'll certainly agree with you that after 98, that team was cooked. Rodman was going to either retire or not be as locked in on basketball anymore. Pippen wanted to get paid. If MJ sticks around, you're committing a ton of money to just two guys, three if Rodman sticks around. Only thing that makes it very curious is if they could have foreseen a lockout coming and the 99 season being just 50 games and they had the extra 3 months of rest if that same team could have given it one more run for a 4-peat. It's funny to look at that 99 Bulls roster. The only holdovers were Harper, Kukoc, Simpkins, Randy Brown, and Wennington. Hence why they went 13-37.

MWB
Posts: 5486
Joined: Wed Mar 25, 2015 10:04 pm

NBA

Postby MWB » Mon May 18, 2020 11:07 am

I just don’t think Jordan could have maintained the drive, the scrutiny, the intensity for 8 straight seasons. I think he was wired differently, and that white hot intensity can only last so long.

There’s one story, from one of the bio writers I think, where Jordan said he’d have retired after ‘92, but he wanted the third championship to outdo the Lakers and Pistons.

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Dickie Dunn, MrKennethTKangaroo, OutofFoil, RonnieFranchise and 26 guests