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nobody under a certain age cares about James Bond or Daniel Craig, so they changed the model. same reason why the Pope is now cool with gay people.

I don't think that's true considering it's one of the all time most successful film franchises and still does pretty well in the box office.

another movie thread crossover (Up still stinks). but being all time most successful doesn't tell you about modern adoption.

i dunno...i could easily be wrong. i just don't get the sense that Bond means much anymore.

Fast and Furious gets **** (some of it deservedly so) for being corny but they're one of the best examples of organic diversity. All of the diversity in the films is natural but good. Characters of all races, ethnicities and strong female characters. I'm not sure if they actually would do this, but they could introduce a trans character and I think it would go over very well. Don't make a huge point of it but just "hey I'm trans", "cool" and then they do stupid stuff with cars the rest of the movie

Like Batman I would largely have issue with, because there's a specific universe written for a specific character, and I don't know how I'd feel if a POC was playing Batman instead. It just wouldn't feel like Batman, if that made sense.

Outside of this conversation, when you ask somebody to describe the James Bond character, nobody in their right mind is going to include "white" in their description.

Go out and ask someone if James Bond is white or black.

The moment where the laughable defenders of "white male Bond" lose the argument is when they claim that (a) Ian Fleming must be turning in his grave seeing this, yet (b) they are COMPLETELY OK with the fact that this fairy take figure Bond moves through decades like Connor MacLeod without any signs of aging, battles enemies that had not existed during the lifetime of the original author, fires guns that have not existed. And yet the defenders of white Bond are completely against the idea that during the last 50 years, the norms of the society might have evolved.

"Bond" is a magic character who has the licence to kick ass. In 1950s, it is inconceivable that a person in that position would be anything but white. But if you are willing to sit in the movie theater enjoying "Bond" kick ass in 2020+, the idea that in the last 50 years the society advanced to the point that this top ass kicking agent may be Black, or woman pretty much must be on the table by default...

And, BTW, James Bond is boring...

Vocal majority, actual minority.

When 60% of the GOP still believes the election was stolen I'm not so sure they are the minority.

I dont buy this statistic. I know you're not making it up but I would really question the entity who ran/published it

More than two-thirds of Republicans say the 2020 presidential election was invalid, according to a new survey.

The poll from the R Street Institute, a free markets group, found that 67 percent of Republicans view the past election as invalid, compared to 23 percent who believe it was valid.

About half of all Republicans said they believe their votes were counted, while 42 percent said the system is corrupt and that their vote “probably doesn’t get counted anyway.”

Donald Trump spent the three months between the November election and the inauguration of Joe Biden as the 46th president insisting -- via public pronouncement and tweet -- that the 2020 race had been stolen from him.

Despite the fact that he never provided ANY evidence to back up that claim -- and the fact that courts across the country roundly rejected lawsuits on the matter as specious (at best) -- Trump quite clearly convinced lots and lots of Republicans of his false view.
How many? Try 76% of self-identified Republicans in a new national Quinnipiac University poll. That's the number of Republicans who said they believe there was "widespread fraud in the 2020 election."

About two-thirds of Republicans say Joe Biden was not legitimately elected president, according to a new poll conducted barely two weeks after he was inaugurated.

The poll from the Associated Press–NORC Center for Public Affairs Research shows 33% of Republicans say Biden was legitimately elected as the 46th president of the United States, while 65% say he was not. Overall, roughly two-thirds of Americans say Biden was legitimately elected, with nearly all Democrats saying so.

Former President Donald Trump and his allies disputed the outcome of the 2020 election for months, arguing without evidence that it was stolen and that there was fraudulent voting in pivotal states. Courts dismissed those allegations in lawsuits. State and local election officials verified — and, in some cases, reverified — that voting was fair and secure. Trump’s own attorney general said there was no evidence of widespread fraud.

Like Batman I would largely have issue with, because there's a specific universe written for a specific character, and I don't know how I'd feel if a POC was playing Batman instead. It just wouldn't feel like Batman, if that made sense.

I agree and it goes back to a comment nocera made. Miles Morales is a different character than Peter Parker so that works. Don't make Bruce Wayne black. Make a new character

though I would prefer they move to a new universe/story than staying in the same one and introducing new characters

Like Batman I would largely have issue with, because there's a specific universe written for a specific character, and I don't know how I'd feel if a POC was playing Batman instead. It just wouldn't feel like Batman, if that made sense.

Outside of this conversation, when you ask somebody to describe the James Bond character, nobody in their right mind is going to include "white" in their description.

Go out and ask someone if James Bond is white or black.

The moment where the laughable defenders of "white male Bond" lose the argument is when they claim that (a) Ian Fleming must be turning in his grave seeing this, yet (b) they are COMPLETELY OK with the fact that this fairy take figure Bond moves through decades like Connor MacLeod without any signs of aging, battles enemies that had not existed during the lifetime of the original author, fires guns that have not existed. And yet the defenders of white Bond are completely against the idea that during the last 50 years, the norms of the society might have evolved.

"Bond" is a magic character who has the licence to kick ass. In 1950s, it is inconceivable that a person in that position would be anything but white. But if you are willing to sit in the movie theater enjoying "Bond" kick ass in 2020+, the idea that in the last 50 years the society advanced to the point that this top ass kicking agent may be Black, or woman pretty much must be on the table by default...

And, BTW, James Bond is boring...

There are plenty of asskicking black, female, chinese, or whatever you want to insert spys, special agents, etc in movies. And I enjoy them, and wouldn't want their characters rewritten "just because".

Don't see what the big deal is keeping James Bond the character he has been for over a half of a century. Just my opinion.

Lol

Like Batman I would largely have issue with, because there's a specific universe written for a specific character, and I don't know how I'd feel if a POC was playing Batman instead. It just wouldn't feel like Batman, if that made sense.

I agree and it goes back to a comment nocera made. Miles Morales is a different character than Peter Parker so that works. Don't make Bruce Wayne black. Make a new character

though I would prefer they move to a new universe/story than staying in the same one and introducing new characters

Vocal majority, actual minority.

When 60% of the GOP still believes the election was stolen I'm not so sure they are the minority.

I dont buy this statistic. I know you're not making it up but I would really question the entity who ran/published it

I just did a quick Google, and my first three results pointed to three different outlets citing three different polls showing broadly the same number.

Majority of Republicans say 2020 election was invalid: poll

More than two-thirds of Republicans say the 2020 presidential election was invalid, according to a new survey.

The poll from the R Street Institute, a free markets group, found that 67 percent of Republicans view the past election as invalid, compared to 23 percent who believe it was valid.

About half of all Republicans said they believe their votes were counted, while 42 percent said the system is corrupt and that their vote “probably doesn’t get counted anyway.”

Three-quarters of Republicans believe a lie about the 2020 election

Donald Trump spent the three months between the November election and the inauguration of Joe Biden as the 46th president insisting -- via public pronouncement and tweet -- that the 2020 race had been stolen from him.

Despite the fact that he never provided ANY evidence to back up that claim -- and the fact that courts across the country roundly rejected lawsuits on the matter as specious (at best) -- Trump quite clearly convinced lots and lots of Republicans of his false view.
How many? Try 76% of self-identified Republicans in a new national Quinnipiac University poll. That's the number of Republicans who said they believe there was "widespread fraud in the 2020 election."

Poll finds 65% of Republicans say they don’t believe Biden’s election was legitimate

About two-thirds of Republicans say Joe Biden was not legitimately elected president, according to a new poll conducted barely two weeks after he was inaugurated.

The poll from the Associated Press–NORC Center for Public Affairs Research shows 33% of Republicans say Biden was legitimately elected as the 46th president of the United States, while 65% say he was not. Overall, roughly two-thirds of Americans say Biden was legitimately elected, with nearly all Democrats saying so.

Former President Donald Trump and his allies disputed the outcome of the 2020 election for months, arguing without evidence that it was stolen and that there was fraudulent voting in pivotal states. Courts dismissed those allegations in lawsuits. State and local election officials verified — and, in some cases, reverified — that voting was fair and secure. Trump’s own attorney general said there was no evidence of widespread fraud.

Granted, these results were from February........ but what's changed since then to indicate a shift in these winds? This is the Republican Party in 2021.

When MTG raises that much money in a quarter, I can guarantee her voice is not only not going to fade, it's feeling empowered that the **** she is spewing is right.

We'll see. That quarter was during the height of the Big Steal and the immediate aftermath. You may be right though. Only time will tell.

Like Batman I would largely have issue with, because there's a specific universe written for a specific character, and I don't know how I'd feel if a POC was playing Batman instead. It just wouldn't feel like Batman, if that made sense.

This is interesting. Comics have plenty of examples of changing the race of a long-standing character. Calvin Ellis as Superman, John Stewart as Green Latern, Miles Morales as Spiderman, Nick Fury. I'm sure I'm missing a few. I don't think Batman was ever changed though.

I think most of us agree that diversity = good but forced diversity = bad

forced diversity in school boards and juries and whatnot where the makeup of the group represents the community demographics...that's a good thing imo.

I wouldn’t really consider that forced. I’m more talking about hiring a black person over a white person even if a white person is more qualified or remaking Ghostbusters with female Ghostbusters rather than a new IP like the Alien franchise that has a strong female character more organically

Like Batman I would largely have issue with, because there's a specific universe written for a specific character, and I don't know how I'd feel if a POC was playing Batman instead. It just wouldn't feel like Batman, if that made sense.

This is interesting. Comics have plenty of examples of changing the race of a long-standing character. Calvin Ellis as Superman, John Stewart as Green Latern, Miles Morales as Spiderman, Nick Fury. I'm sure I'm missing a few. I don't think Batman was ever changed though.

Yeah, but a lot of those examples, they are completely different characters, and some cases, in a different universe. I think Nick Fury is the only one that was the same character with a total rewrite. Which I'm fine with. But Clark Kent never changed. Hal Jordan never changed.

Fantahun Girma Woldesenbet was identified by Frederick Police as the Navy corpsman accused of shooting and injuring two people at an industrial park in Frederick, Maryland before he was fatally shot by personnel at nearby Fort Detrick.

The U.S. Navy identified Woldesenbet as a 38-year-old hospital corpsman. Two victims were taken to a Baltimore hospital with critical injuries. The initial shooting was reported at Riverside Tech Park in the northeastern part of the city. The victims were also members of the Navy, authorities said.

Frederick Police Chief Jason Lando said during a press conference Woldesenbet achieved the rank of E-4 and lived in Frederick. He was married, and the FBI interviewed his wife, according to WUSA9. He is from Virginia, according to Stars and Stripes. He was identified as a medical lab technician in 2019 meeting minutes from the Board of Regents Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences 208th Meeting.

Sounds like they're just requiring a negative test?

More info on that shooting in Maryland.

Fantahun Girma Woldesenbet was identified by Frederick Police as the Navy corpsman accused of shooting and injuring two people at an industrial park in Frederick, Maryland before he was fatally shot by personnel at nearby Fort Detrick.

The U.S. Navy identified Woldesenbet as a 38-year-old hospital corpsman. Two victims were taken to a Baltimore hospital with critical injuries. The initial shooting was reported at Riverside Tech Park in the northeastern part of the city. The victims were also members of the Navy, authorities said.

Frederick Police Chief Jason Lando said during a press conference Woldesenbet achieved the rank of E-4 and lived in Frederick. He was married, and the FBI interviewed his wife, according to WUSA9. He is from Virginia, according to Stars and Stripes. He was identified as a medical lab technician in 2019 meeting minutes from the Board of Regents Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences 208th Meeting.

https://heavy.com/news/fantahun-woldese ... EL6gRH9zDM