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Postby nocera » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:24 pm

Do these things usually circumvent Congress?

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Postby Morkle » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:26 pm

I'm sorry - but that doesn't seem like something you're going to roll out before the election, because if it's wrong - it could tank your presidency.

Then, couple that with the confusion and chaos of what it was like last time, and it's likely something that can be shot-down fairly quickly. I am greatly skeptical.

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Postby Troy Loney » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:28 pm

Do these things usually circumvent Congress?
Rolling it out could mean so many things. But they are definitely not drafting legislation in the White House. He’ll probably just announce some list of platitudes and call it a healthcare plan.

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Postby eddy » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:30 pm

I'm sorry - but that doesn't seem like something you're going to roll out before the election, because if it's wrong - it could tank your presidency.

Then, couple that with the confusion and chaos of what it was like last time, and it's likely something that can be shot-down fairly quickly. I am greatly skeptical.
It could literally be a program where you goto some shed and they smear dog **** on your face and people will scream to the heavens that their savior has once again proved victorious.

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Postby Troy Loney » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:32 pm

Or more likely that they are all just lying about it.

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Postby Morkle » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:35 pm

I know Biden is all about Obamacare - but I'd be hammering Trump on the ad spots asking where this is, what the details are, and just straight up trash him for it.

This feels like one of those things you shouldn't promise, then not deliver on, and really should be held to the fire when stuff like this gets said.

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Postby Faftorial » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:37 pm

Do these things usually circumvent Congress?
Rolling it out could mean so many things. But they are definitely not drafting legislation in the White House. He’ll probably just announce some list of platitudes and call it a healthcare plan.
Allow insurers to cross state lines, blah, blah, blah.

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Postby nocera » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:38 pm

Do these things usually circumvent Congress?
Rolling it out could mean so many things. But they are definitely not drafting legislation in the White House. He’ll probably just announce some list of platitudes and call it a healthcare plan.
Ah. So they're blaming the delay on having to create something without the help of Congress? Got it.

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Postby Faftorial » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:44 pm

I'll have to check with my parents to see who they are voting for in this race. I know they haven't been happy with him sucking up to Trump.

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Postby DigitalGypsy66 » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:46 pm

This is exciting. Lindsey Graham actually had to make attack ads! Usually, the GOP candidates just ignore the Democratic challenger. Won't debate them, doesn't mention them at rallies and so on. He actually has to campaign a bit, which is refreshing.

Harrison actually seems like a decent person, which we need more of in Washington.

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Postby tifosi77 » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:51 pm

Don't forget: The government runs out of money in 14 days!

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Postby King Colby » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:56 pm

Do these things usually circumvent Congress?
Ask President Obama

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Postby tifosi77 » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:56 pm

I know Biden is all about Obamacare - but I'd be hammering Trump on the ad spots asking where this is, what the details are, and just straight up trash him for it.

This feels like one of those things you shouldn't promise, then not deliver on, and really should be held to the fire when stuff like this gets said.
Not sure what the ads are like where you are, but his most common ad here in SoCal is specifically addressing this point. Plays up the car accident that claimed the lives of his first wife and daughter, and Beau's cancer, and how he couldn't imagine having to face crises like that without medical coverage. It's pretty effective, especially juxtaposed with the notion that the Trump administration is actively litigating to bring about the end of Obamacare.

I'm not really that big a fan of Obamacare (because it doubles down on the employer-based model and did away with the public option), but I don't think the midst of a global healthcare crisis is the best time to be running around courtrooms across the country actively seeking to strip 10s of millions of people of their medical coverage.

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Postby King Colby » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:59 pm

-the ACA does not do well to serve the "still not well off but too rich for obamacare" group, If you make over 400% of Federal Poverty Level (which is by no means a lot of money), you get no subsidy and have to pay the full premiums, which are not cheap
Literally everyone I know that has a negative view of the ACA falls into this group, and I can understand their frustration. I'm not really sure why this little band of income-level people had to have their premiums skyrocket. I get the politics of why it hasn't been fixed, but I'm cloudy on why it became a thing in the first place.
Because rate factors have to be applied consistently to everyone and 400% FPL is where the feds drew the line.

In my opinion, they addressed one gap but created multiple others.

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Postby Morkle » Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:00 pm

I've seen nothing but the I'm Joe Biden from Scranton and COVID ones, here in Pittsburgh.

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Postby MR25 » Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:03 pm

I've seen Tifs ad on YouTube a bunch

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Postby nocera » Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:04 pm

Do these things usually circumvent Congress?
Ask President Obama
? Didn't the ACA go through both the Senate and the House?

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Postby King Colby » Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:11 pm

Do these things usually circumvent Congress?
Ask President Obama
? Didn't the ACA go through both the Senate and the House?
It did. The senate had to use the budget reconciliation act to pass it with a simple majority. Some of the amendments were by executive order, such as the one the Supreme Court ruled cost sharing a misappropriation of funds back in early 2016.

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Postby Troy Loney » Wed Sep 16, 2020 5:05 pm



This is, like the “news” part of Fox News, no?

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Postby tifosi77 » Wed Sep 16, 2020 5:11 pm

That's an amusing typo in the Baragona tweet. (I mean, presumably it's a typo)

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Postby Gaucho » Wed Sep 16, 2020 5:22 pm

oops

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Postby tifosi77 » Wed Sep 16, 2020 6:32 pm

I mean, we are deliberately tanking the economy because of our Trump rage.

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Postby Troy Loney » Wed Sep 16, 2020 6:36 pm

Raise the “take out the blue states” covid banner!

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