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Postby Freddy Rumsen » Tue Sep 15, 2020 4:30 pm

Peace in our time.





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Postby Faftorial » Tue Sep 15, 2020 4:32 pm

"Maybe."

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Postby DigitalGypsy66 » Tue Sep 15, 2020 4:36 pm

That's significant, if it all pans out.

Edit: Wait a minute Freddy....were you being cheeky with "Peace in our Time" with Neville Chamberlain/Munich appeasement? :lol:

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Postby Freddy Rumsen » Tue Sep 15, 2020 4:42 pm

It was definitely a I'll believe it when I see it statement.

But if this was anyone else was doing this it would be breaking news.

I mean...these are the smart people's reaction.


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Postby CBear3 » Tue Sep 15, 2020 4:52 pm

I'm certainly interested in WTH prompted this. There were no real indications or talks leading up to this, no intense negotiations that I can tell, so what's happening behind the scenes?

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Postby Freddy Rumsen » Tue Sep 15, 2020 4:54 pm

No one in the Middle East likes the Palestinians and they basically had a veto over negotiations between Israel and Gulf States in the past. Trump/Kushner basically told the Palestinians to take a hike and so the Gulf States were able to negotiate with Israel without the Palestinians getting in the way.

Also the Gulf States see Iran as a threat so they want Israeli/USA protection.

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Postby grunthy » Tue Sep 15, 2020 5:20 pm

So no new wars and possible Middle East peace... imagine if this was any other administration...

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Postby Kaiser » Tue Sep 15, 2020 5:34 pm

At last we learned to sacrifice ourselves for others.

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Postby CBear3 » Tue Sep 15, 2020 5:36 pm

So no new wars and possible Middle East peace... imagine if this was any other administration...
20K more troops in the Middle East, Iran with 10x more enriched uranium, letting a Saudi Prince get away with murder and selling arms to them despite Congress's attempts to stop it as they attempt to obliterate Yemen and create "the largest humanitarian crisis in the world" (pre COVID).
And in the East he's been totally played by N. Korea.

Kind of a toss up. If you give Trump credit for the peace, then you basically admit that letting the Saudi's get away with anything they wanted was the cost of "peace."

Cross my fingers it'll be worth it.

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Postby Gaucho » Tue Sep 15, 2020 5:38 pm

Normalising relations is certainly good, but I don't see how the region is any closer to a lasting peace.

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Postby grunthy » Tue Sep 15, 2020 5:42 pm

So no new wars and possible Middle East peace... imagine if this was any other administration...
20K more troops in the Middle East, Iran with 10x more enriched uranium, letting a Saudi Prince get away with murder and selling arms to them despite Congress's attempts to stop it as they attempt to obliterate Yemen and create "the largest humanitarian crisis in the world" (pre COVID).
And in the East he's been totally played by N. Korea.

Kind of a toss up. If you give Trump credit for the peace, then you basically admit that letting the Saudi's get away with anything they wanted was the cost of "peace."

Cross my fingers it'll be worth it.
Don’t we have less troops there now than at the beginning of 2016?

Iran was going to have that anyway, but now they are severely handicapped economically.

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Postby Pavel Bure » Tue Sep 15, 2020 6:01 pm

It's always funny to me when I see the phrase "weapons of war".

That is the express, literal purpose of the 2nd Amendment.
I think Portland proved no one actually cares about the 2nd amendment. All these muh guns, muh 2nd amendment people were silent when the secret police showed up.
What does that have to do with the 2nd Amendment?
A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.

That free state thing was being pretty heavily violated.

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Postby Freddy Rumsen » Tue Sep 15, 2020 6:03 pm

So no new wars and possible Middle East peace... imagine if this was any other administration...
20K more troops in the Middle East, Iran with 10x more enriched uranium, letting a Saudi Prince get away with murder and selling arms to them despite Congress's attempts to stop it as they attempt to obliterate Yemen and create "the largest humanitarian crisis in the world" (pre COVID).
And in the East he's been totally played by N. Korea.

Kind of a toss up. If you give Trump credit for the peace, then you basically admit that letting the Saudi's get away with anything they wanted was the cost of "peace."

Cross my fingers it'll be worth it.
The last two administrations let Saudis get away with no consequences for 9/11 so...

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Postby Freddy Rumsen » Tue Sep 15, 2020 6:04 pm

It's always funny to me when I see the phrase "weapons of war".

That is the express, literal purpose of the 2nd Amendment.
I think Portland proved no one actually cares about the 2nd amendment. All these muh guns, muh 2nd amendment people were silent when the secret police showed up.
What does that have to do with the 2nd Amendment?
A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.

That free state thing was being pretty heavily violated.
I'm a moron so I'm still not getting what that has to do with the 2nd Amendment.

Maybe the 4th would be better?

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Postby Pavel Bure » Tue Sep 15, 2020 6:33 pm

No I’m bad at explaining. Most every muh guns muh 2nd amendment people also talk about protection from government overreach in the same breath.
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They were completely silent when that government overreach was happening

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Postby Morkle » Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:55 pm

"This thing is a killer if it gets you. If you're the wrong person, you don't have a chance.... This rips you apart. It is the plague." (Donald J. Trump )
Lol he said today he up played the virus even though he said something totally different.

Or you know, lied.

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Postby Morkle » Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:03 pm

No I’m bad at explaining. Most every muh guns muh 2nd amendment people also talk about protection from government overreach in the same breath.
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They were completely silent when that government overreach was happening
If I'm understanding you correctly, there were a variety of instances where the "state" used force on unarmed civilians that the 2A/Militia regulated men should have been up in arms about, but it was for the wrong cause, so they looked the other way.

I believe that hypocrisy will always exist, but I think that was the point you were trying to make as I understood it.

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Postby Shyster » Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:06 pm

No I’m bad at explaining. Most every muh guns muh 2nd amendment people also talk about protection from government overreach in the same breath.
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They were completely silent when that government overreach was happening

That government overreach was happening to people who generally hate the 2nd amendment people.

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Postby Faftorial » Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:49 pm

No I’m bad at explaining. Most every muh guns muh 2nd amendment people also talk about protection from government overreach in the same breath.
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They were completely silent when that government overreach was happening

That government overreach was happening to people who generally hate the 2nd amendment people.
There is more to life than guns.

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Postby grunthy » Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:54 pm

No I’m bad at explaining. Most every muh guns muh 2nd amendment people also talk about protection from government overreach in the same breath.
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They were completely silent when that government overreach was happening

That government overreach was happening to people who generally hate the 2nd amendment people.
There is more to life than guns.

Not for that child molester that Rittenhouse shot...

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Postby Faftorial » Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:09 am

I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't respond to my posts. Hopefully they will improve the ignore feature here some day.

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Postby Lemon Berry Lobster » Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:27 am

No I’m bad at explaining. Most every muh guns muh 2nd amendment people also talk about protection from government overreach in the same breath.
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They were completely silent when that government overreach was happening

That government overreach was happening to people who generally hate the 2nd amendment people.
There is more to life than guns.

Not for that child molester that Rittenhouse shot...
The child molester didn't have the gun. The burglary felon that survived from the bicep injury had the gun.

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Postby MalkinIsMyHomeboy » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:15 am

I never really understood how fascism as a political doctrine was different than despotism or something

Maybe fascism is the vehicle for an authoritarian government

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