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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/in ... ts-n877476

This is getting scary.

So that brings the total to 11 shootings at middle and high schools this year involving someone bringing a gun into the school with the purpose of causing harm. That doesn't include the accidental discharge or incidents that happened in parking lots.

What this is, is a cultural problem. And it's not going to be solved by banning firearm ownership.

Quite honestly, Americans have some questions to answer, none of which have anything to do with guns... rather specifically on the topics of the sanctity of life, the nuclear family, and pharmaceuticals.

So that brings the total to 11 shootings at middle and high schools this year involving someone bringing a gun into the school with the purpose of causing harm. That doesn't include the accidental discharge or incidents that happened in parking lots.

8 overdoses in public schools in 2018. Alone.

Oh, no... I'm sorry... that was on ONE DAY, in ONE SCHOOL. In ONE CITY.

http://www.fox5dc.com/news/local-news/4 ... o-hospital

Bans work, tho'.

Guns are bad, mkay? 42 years ago, the State of NEW YORK had over EIGHTY school districts with gun clubs. These were sanctioned school activities with live ammunition fire on school premises. Presumably, the corridors must have been running streams of blood.

Nope.

I apologize for the NRO link: https://www.nationalreview.com/2013/01/ ... c-w-cooke/

What this is, is a cultural problem. And it's not going to be solved by banning firearm ownership.

Quite honestly, Americans have some questions to answer, none of which have anything to do with guns... rather specifically on the topics of the sanctity of life, the nuclear family, and pharmaceuticals.

So that brings the total to 11 shootings at middle and high schools this year involving someone bringing a gun into the school with the purpose of causing harm. That doesn't include the accidental discharge or incidents that happened in parking lots.

8 overdoses in public schools in 2018. Alone.

Oh, no... I'm sorry... that was on ONE DAY, in ONE SCHOOL. In ONE CITY.

http://www.fox5dc.com/news/local-news/4 ... o-hospital

Bans work, tho'.

Guns are bad, mkay? 42 years ago, the State of NEW YORK had over EIGHTY school districts with gun clubs. These were sanctioned school activities with live ammunition fire on school premises. Presumably, the corridors must have been running streams of blood.

Nope.

I apologize for the NRO link: https://www.nationalreview.com/2013/01/ ... c-w-cooke/

What this is, is a cultural problem. And it's not going to be solved by banning firearm ownership.

Quite honestly, Americans have some questions to answer, none of which have anything to do with guns... rather specifically on the topics of the sanctity of life, the nuclear family, and pharmaceuticals.

So that brings the total to 11 shootings at middle and high schools this year involving someone bringing a gun into the school with the purpose of causing harm. That doesn't include the accidental discharge or incidents that happened in parking lots.

8 overdoses in public schools in 2018. Alone.

Oh, no... I'm sorry... that was on ONE DAY, in ONE SCHOOL. In ONE CITY.

http://www.fox5dc.com/news/local-news/4 ... o-hospital

Bans work, tho'.

Guns are bad, mkay? 42 years ago, the State of NEW YORK had over EIGHTY school districts with gun clubs. These were sanctioned school activities with live ammunition fire on school premises. Presumably, the corridors must have been running streams of blood.

Nope.

I apologize for the NRO link: https://www.nationalreview.com/2013/01/ ... c-w-cooke/

What this is, is a cultural problem. And it's not going to be solved by banning firearm ownership.

Quite honestly, Americans have some questions to answer, none of which have anything to do with guns... rather specifically on the topics of the sanctity of life, the nuclear family, and pharmaceuticals.

Not sure why you quoted my post and went off one a gun ban rant, but ok...

ETA: Hey, if you don't think school shootings are a problem, fine. I disagree. That doesn't mean it's the only problem, and it doesn't mean I think guns should be banned. As I stated last week, there's something different now (I think social media is a large part of it) than there used to be. That, combined with easy access to guns, has created more of these school shootings.

So that brings the total to 11 shootings at middle and high schools this year involving someone bringing a gun into the school with the purpose of causing harm. That doesn't include the accidental discharge or incidents that happened in parking lots.

8 overdoses in public schools in 2018. Alone.

Oh, no... I'm sorry... that was on ONE DAY, in ONE SCHOOL. In ONE CITY.

http://www.fox5dc.com/news/local-news/4 ... o-hospital

Bans work, tho'.

Guns are bad, mkay? 42 years ago, the State of NEW YORK had over EIGHTY school districts with gun clubs. These were sanctioned school activities with live ammunition fire on school premises. Presumably, the corridors must have been running streams of blood.

Nope.

I apologize for the NRO link: https://www.nationalreview.com/2013/01/ ... c-w-cooke/

What this is, is a cultural problem. And it's not going to be solved by banning firearm ownership.

Quite honestly, Americans have some questions to answer, none of which have anything to do with guns... rather specifically on the topics of the sanctity of life, the nuclear family, and pharmaceuticals.

Not sure why you quoted my post and went off one a gun ban rant, but ok...

ETA: Hey, if you don't think school shootings are a problem, fine. I disagree. That doesn't mean it's the only problem, and it doesn't mean I think guns should be banned. As I stated last week, there's something different now (I think social media is a large part of it) than there used to be. That, combined with easy access to guns, has created more of these school shootings.

I haven't read about how this person got the guns, but did he have to do anything difficult to get the gun? It's usually, take them from a family member. Point is, the people who have done this, by and large, haven't had trouble getting the guns. To me, that goes to gun safety by gun owners and ease of obtaining guns.

That, combined with easy access to guns, has created more of these school shootings.

Whichever. For me, I don't really care what y'all do.

That, combined with easy access to guns, has created more of these school shootings.

This is incorrect. Have some data: https://news.northeastern.edu/2018/02/2 ... cher-says/

Your wxposure to it has likely increased thanks to new media, I will give you that. Very small chance even 20 years ago you hear about a shooting at a school with no fatalities, but here you are using it to try and prove a point.

That, combined with easy access to guns, has created more of these school shootings.

This is incorrect. Have some data: https://news.northeastern.edu/2018/02/2 ... cher-says/

Your wxposure to it has likely increased thanks to new media, I will give you that. Very small chance even 20 years ago you hear about a shooting at a school with no fatalities, but here you are using it to try and prove a point.

Thanks for the data. That’s interesting, and maybe it is a matter of more exposure. I’d like to look at the data going back even further.

The reason I see access as an issue is that it’s an easy way to express that anger, for lack of a better word. That access is on irresponsible gun owners. So while yes, guns have always been here...

I believe there are more irresponsible owners.

Or maybe if these shootings haven’t increased, there have just always been the same level of irresponsible gun owners. Kid goes off deep end. Kid wants to hurt a lot of people. Kid gets from family member and shoots. But maybe there are more instances of mass casualties where other means are used in these situations?

Guinness, while you always want to say how simple everyone else is, you are the one who makes everyone out as simple. You grasp on to one point of an argument and ignore everything else. So as much as I say that the biggest issue is probably social media, in combination of many other societal aspects, all you can respond with is “teh guns” because the word gun was typed.

So as much as I say that the biggest issue is probably social media, in combination of many other societal aspects, all you can respond with is “teh guns” because the word gun was typed.

Thus it is not I who is making some kind of simplistic argument; it is the so-called "Left", who hold that eliminating firearms would somehow result in a reduction of killing.