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Postby Lemon Berry Lobster » Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:12 am

Floater eh? I always used the term "wounded soldier"

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Postby eddy » Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:34 am

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Postby MR25 » Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:35 am

Well now you've piqued my curiosity

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Postby Gaucho » Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:37 am

I don't think she is lying per se.

I think she doesn't know who/what/when/where because they were all drunk*, and so she is filling in the blanks, as it were.

* - Her attorney admitted the accuser had "a beer" in her interview this morning. No teenager in Earth's history had "a beer" at a party.
Have you ever been to a party with girls that age?

I'd be surprised if any 15 year old girl gets a whole beer down. They usually take two sips and put it down, it's why the term "floater" was invented.
Not sure if serious.

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Postby shafnutz05 » Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:39 am

I don't think she is lying per se.

I think she doesn't know who/what/when/where because they were all drunk*, and so she is filling in the blanks, as it were.

* - Her attorney admitted the accuser had "a beer" in her interview this morning. No teenager in Earth's history had "a beer" at a party.
Have you ever been to a party with girls that age?

I'd be surprised if any 15 year old girl gets a whole beer down. They usually take two sips and put it down, it's why the term "floater" was invented.
Not sure if serious.
This post set off my "wut" detector too. I knew plenty of girls in high school that liked to drink beer.

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Postby Gaucho » Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:40 am

Yeti pubes?

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Postby Troy Loney » Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:40 am

Yeah, I'm just saying there's plenty of reason to believe that this woman would just have a "beer" at parties that age.

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Postby Troy Loney » Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:42 am

I don't think she is lying per se.

I think she doesn't know who/what/when/where because they were all drunk*, and so she is filling in the blanks, as it were.

* - Her attorney admitted the accuser had "a beer" in her interview this morning. No teenager in Earth's history had "a beer" at a party.
Have you ever been to a party with girls that age?

I'd be surprised if any 15 year old girl gets a whole beer down. They usually take two sips and put it down, it's why the term "floater" was invented.
Not sure if serious.
This post set off my "wut" detector too. I knew plenty of girls in high school that liked to drink beer.
Well, I knew plenty that didn't. So while assuming one way or another is probably wrong, you can't dismiss the woman's story on that ground.

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Postby grunthy » Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:52 am

I don't think she is lying per se.

I think she doesn't know who/what/when/where because they were all drunk*, and so she is filling in the blanks, as it were.

* - Her attorney admitted the accuser had "a beer" in her interview this morning. No teenager in Earth's history had "a beer" at a party.
Have you ever been to a party with girls that age?

I'd be surprised if any 15 year old girl gets a whole beer down. They usually take two sips and put it down, it's why the term "floater" was invented.

I have never been to a party that didn’t have jungle juice or some kind of liquor concoction. So while she says she only had one beer, she makes no mention if she had any other type of drink.

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Postby grunthy » Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:54 am

So she can remember not only that she had one beer, but that everyone except Kavanaugh and Judge also had one beer, yet she cannot remember when this happened, where this happened, who owned the house, or how she got there or got home.
This is completely normal behavior for survivors of traumatic events. Not just something of this nature, but trauma, generally. I mean, this is sort of where the term 'triggered' kind comes from. Small details specific to the actual trauma often follow a person through their lives, even if they block out the traumatic event itself.
Like you just said they block out the traumatic event. Yet she remembers every detail of the traumatic event but nothing leading to it or after it. That is the complete opposite of what normally happens.

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Postby Lemon Berry Lobster » Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:07 am

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Postby MR25 » Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:08 am

Not really. It's not a black and white situation in regard to what is remembered vs what is repressed.

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Postby MWB » Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:12 am

You’re glossing over the fact that her life will be completely exposed, she is fodder for every pundit, news show, and hockey forum, and will be reviled by a large group of people. Those things are certainties. That’s an awful lot of weight to put on a lie. The savior plot is very, very unlikely.
People make up stuff even when they know it will cause lots of scrutiny and press coverage. Crystal Mangum fabricated the Duke lacrosse rape hoax.[1] "Jackie" fabricated the UVA rape hoax.[2] A former women's basketball player at the University of Nebraska faked an anti-lesbian hate crime and even carved "derogatory" words into her own skin[3] because " she thought it would inspire change in the treatment of gay people."[4] A Claremont McKenna College psychology professor vandalized her own car with racist slogans and then claimed to be the victim of a racist hate crime.[5] People make stuff up in order to get attention even when they know they will face pushback and scrutiny. It still happens.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_lacrosse_case
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Rape_on_Campus
[3] https://www.cnn.com/2012/08/21/justice/ ... index.html
[4] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... -show-jail
[5] http://articles.latimes.com/2004/aug/19/local/me-dunn19
None of those even approach the level of coverage this will, as you well know. There also isn’t a huge time gap between the purported event and the reporting of it. But yes, we can go around and find stories of all sorts of things people do. I bet I could find stories of teenage boys who sexually assault girls to support my belief that it happened. My point is that based on what we know so far, I think she’s telling the truth about the event. I think she believes it was Kavanaugh. Whether or not it was is more questionable.

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Postby Willie Kool » Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:13 am

It's probably not even a case of those details being repressed. She might just not remember unimportant details from 40 years ago.

Thinking back, I can clearly remember many 'highlights' from parties around that same time period, but details like exactly when, where, how I got there, etc. not so much.

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Postby grunthy » Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:23 am

You’re glossing over the fact that her life will be completely exposed, she is fodder for every pundit, news show, and hockey forum, and will be reviled by a large group of people. Those things are certainties. That’s an awful lot of weight to put on a lie. The savior plot is very, very unlikely.
People make up stuff even when they know it will cause lots of scrutiny and press coverage. Crystal Mangum fabricated the Duke lacrosse rape hoax.[1] "Jackie" fabricated the UVA rape hoax.[2] A former women's basketball player at the University of Nebraska faked an anti-lesbian hate crime and even carved "derogatory" words into her own skin[3] because " she thought it would inspire change in the treatment of gay people."[4] A Claremont McKenna College psychology professor vandalized her own car with racist slogans and then claimed to be the victim of a racist hate crime.[5] People make stuff up in order to get attention even when they know they will face pushback and scrutiny. It still happens.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_lacrosse_case
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Rape_on_Campus
[3] https://www.cnn.com/2012/08/21/justice/ ... index.html
[4] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... -show-jail
[5] http://articles.latimes.com/2004/aug/19/local/me-dunn19
None of those even approach the level of coverage this will, as you well know. There also isn’t a huge time gap between the purported event and the reporting of it. But yes, we can go around and find stories of all sorts of things people do. I bet I could find stories of teenage boys who sexually assault girls to support my belief that it happened. My point is that based on what we know so far, I think she’s telling the truth about the event. I think she believes it was Kavanaugh. Whether or not it was is more questionable.

That duke lacrosse one was very widely reported. Of course social media wasn’t what it is today, so in that regard yes it will be more widely covered.

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Postby Troy Loney » Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:25 am

I find it hard to believe that the circumstance didn't happen. Meaning that she was a party with Judge and Cavanaugh and was in a room with them. But it's definitely plausible that she is not remembering what happened correctly. Maybe she felt threatened, but they were not behaving in a way that warranted that, and she has remembered the events differently in order to validate that fear she had as a teenager.

So yeah, this is a hazy situation and if this is an isolated incident, it probably shouldn't derail this confirmation. But as I stated yesterday, his misleading, and potentially false testimony in his prior confirmation hearing should be the real story, but this is the "sexy" story that will get all the press coverage, while the real reason he shouldn't be confirmed is being ignored.

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Postby grunthy » Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:31 am

I find it hard to believe that the circumstance didn't happen. Meaning that she was a party with Judge and Cavanaugh and was in a room with them. But it's definitely plausible that she is not remembering what happened correctly. Maybe she felt threatened, but they were not behaving in a way that warranted that, and she has remembered the events differently in order to validate that fear she had as a teenager.

So yeah, this is a hazy situation and if this is an isolated incident, it probably shouldn't derail this confirmation. But as I stated yesterday, his misleading, and potentially false testimony in his prior confirmation hearing should be the real story, but this is the "sexy" story that will get all the press coverage, while the real reason he shouldn't be confirmed is being ignored.
I believe she went through something, but there are several scenarios here.

1. Not remembering correctly what happened with Judge and Kavanaugh
2. It happened exactly as she said it
3. They were kissing but Kavanaugh tried to go further than she wanted
4. It wasn’t Judge and Kavanaugh in the room but other people.

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Postby MWB » Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:44 am

You’re glossing over the fact that her life will be completely exposed, she is fodder for every pundit, news show, and hockey forum, and will be reviled by a large group of people. Those things are certainties. That’s an awful lot of weight to put on a lie. The savior plot is very, very unlikely.
People make up stuff even when they know it will cause lots of scrutiny and press coverage. Crystal Mangum fabricated the Duke lacrosse rape hoax.[1] "Jackie" fabricated the UVA rape hoax.[2] A former women's basketball player at the University of Nebraska faked an anti-lesbian hate crime and even carved "derogatory" words into her own skin[3] because " she thought it would inspire change in the treatment of gay people."[4] A Claremont McKenna College psychology professor vandalized her own car with racist slogans and then claimed to be the victim of a racist hate crime.[5] People make stuff up in order to get attention even when they know they will face pushback and scrutiny. It still happens.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_lacrosse_case
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Rape_on_Campus
[3] https://www.cnn.com/2012/08/21/justice/ ... index.html
[4] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... -show-jail
[5] http://articles.latimes.com/2004/aug/19/local/me-dunn19
None of those even approach the level of coverage this will, as you well know. There also isn’t a huge time gap between the purported event and the reporting of it. But yes, we can go around and find stories of all sorts of things people do. I bet I could find stories of teenage boys who sexually assault girls to support my belief that it happened. My point is that based on what we know so far, I think she’s telling the truth about the event. I think she believes it was Kavanaugh. Whether or not it was is more questionable.

That duke lacrosse one was very widely reported. Of course social media wasn’t what it is today, so in that regard yes it will be more widely covered.
Yes, that’s true. But I highly doubt that she went into that knowing how the case would end up being reported. Ford knows full well how this goes in terms of media.

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Postby grunthy » Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:53 am

You’re glossing over the fact that her life will be completely exposed, she is fodder for every pundit, news show, and hockey forum, and will be reviled by a large group of people. Those things are certainties. That’s an awful lot of weight to put on a lie. The savior plot is very, very unlikely.
People make up stuff even when they know it will cause lots of scrutiny and press coverage. Crystal Mangum fabricated the Duke lacrosse rape hoax.[1] "Jackie" fabricated the UVA rape hoax.[2] A former women's basketball player at the University of Nebraska faked an anti-lesbian hate crime and even carved "derogatory" words into her own skin[3] because " she thought it would inspire change in the treatment of gay people."[4] A Claremont McKenna College psychology professor vandalized her own car with racist slogans and then claimed to be the victim of a racist hate crime.[5] People make stuff up in order to get attention even when they know they will face pushback and scrutiny. It still happens.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_lacrosse_case
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Rape_on_Campus
[3] https://www.cnn.com/2012/08/21/justice/ ... index.html
[4] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... -show-jail
[5] http://articles.latimes.com/2004/aug/19/local/me-dunn19
None of those even approach the level of coverage this will, as you well know. There also isn’t a huge time gap between the purported event and the reporting of it. But yes, we can go around and find stories of all sorts of things people do. I bet I could find stories of teenage boys who sexually assault girls to support my belief that it happened. My point is that based on what we know so far, I think she’s telling the truth about the event. I think she believes it was Kavanaugh. Whether or not it was is more questionable.

That duke lacrosse one was very widely reported. Of course social media wasn’t what it is today, so in that regard yes it will be more widely covered.
Yes, that’s true. But I highly doubt that she went into that knowing how the case would end up being reported. Ford knows full well how this goes in terms of media.

She didn’t accuse Joe Schmoe of raping her, she accused 3 people on a sports team from a prestigious university of raping her. How wouldn’t she have known it would go?

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Postby MWB » Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:07 am

On the lacrosse team, right after it happened. I’m sure she knew there would be some coverage, but doubt she was thinking about how wide spread it would eventually become. The situations aren’t comparable in terms of the accuser anticipating backlash.

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Postby Factorial » Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:54 am


A man was arrested after he was caught pulling down his pants and rubbing produce on his buttocks, then putting the items back on the shelves at a Northern Virginia grocery store, police said.

It was reported to Manassas city police by a loss prevention employee at the store who witnessed the man “picking up produce, pulling down his pants, rubbing the produce on his buttocks, and replacing the produce back on the shelf,” police said in a statement.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/pu ... 9fda8574d3

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Postby Gaucho » Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:56 am


A man was arrested after he was caught pulling down his pants and rubbing produce on his buttocks, then putting the items back on the shelves at a Northern Virginia grocery store, police said.

It was reported to Manassas city police by a loss prevention employee at the store who witnessed the man “picking up produce, pulling down his pants, rubbing the produce on his buttocks, and replacing the produce back on the shelf,” police said in a statement.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/pu ... 9fda8574d3
Good to see you, my man. :thumb:

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Postby shafnutz05 » Tue Sep 18, 2018 12:20 pm


A man was arrested after he was caught pulling down his pants and rubbing produce on his buttocks, then putting the items back on the shelves at a Northern Virginia grocery store, police said.

It was reported to Manassas city police by a loss prevention employee at the store who witnessed the man “picking up produce, pulling down his pants, rubbing the produce on his buttocks, and replacing the produce back on the shelf,” police said in a statement.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/pu ... 9fda8574d3
Factorial, nice to see you sir! I cannot think of a better first post in six months than this one :lol: :lol: That is fantastic.

Hope you had a nice summer :)

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Postby tifosi77 » Tue Sep 18, 2018 12:41 pm

So she can remember not only that she had one beer, but that everyone except Kavanaugh and Judge also had one beer, yet she cannot remember when this happened, where this happened, who owned the house, or how she got there or got home.
This is completely normal behavior for survivors of traumatic events. Not just something of this nature, but trauma, generally. I mean, this is sort of where the term 'triggered' kind comes from. Small details specific to the actual trauma often follow a person through their lives, even if they block out the traumatic event itself.
Like you just said they block out the traumatic event. Yet she remembers every detail of the traumatic event but nothing leading to it or after it. That is the complete opposite of what normally happens.
Actually, she is sort of perfectly representative of 'what normally happens'.

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Postby tifosi77 » Tue Sep 18, 2018 12:45 pm

Cavanaugh
You better learn to spell his name with a K or else Shyster is going hate post you again.

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