Politics And Current Events

[Morkle]

Apparently the plea is ALL charges dropped if he cooperates. That's big.

[Viva la Ben]

Regarding the WH statement.
Inaccurate and misleading?

[Troy Loney]

Apparently the plea is ALL charges dropped if he cooperates. That's big.

Where do you see that?

[Morkle]

Apparently the plea is ALL charges dropped if he cooperates. That's big.

Where do you see that?

On Reddit. May not be accurate. Bunch of people scrubbing through the data.

[grunthy]

Don’t they still have a joint defense agreement? Wouldn’t that be terminated if he was cooperating against trump?

[Freddy Rumsen]

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-des ... n-congress

Seems like this is the full story on the Cavanugh sexual assault allegation.

The question here is if Feinstein and others really held this to be credible they'd be standing on top of roof shouting and screaming.

The fact she had this and then passed it off to somebody else without really telling anyone says a lot.

[Morkle]

Don’t they still have a joint defense agreement? Wouldn’t that be terminated if he was cooperating against trump?

My question is, is that something they'd announce? Or is the announcement of cooperation meaning it's over by default?

[Troy Loney]

Don’t they still have a joint defense agreement? Wouldn’t that be terminated if he was cooperating against trump?

I'm wondering if he's providing info on Jared and Trump Jr.

[Troy Loney]

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-des ... n-congress

Seems like this is the full story on the Cavanugh sexual assault allegation.

"Sexual assault" = In the letter, the woman alleged that, during an encounter at a party, Kavanaugh held her down, and that he attempted to force himself on her. She claimed in the letter that Kavanaugh and a classmate of his, both of whom had been drinking, turned up music that was playing in the room to conceal the sound of her protests, and that Kavanaugh covered her mouth with his hand.

[grunthy]

Don’t they still have a joint defense agreement? Wouldn’t that be terminated if he was cooperating against trump?

My question is, is that something they'd announce? Or is the announcement of cooperation meaning it's over by default?

I thought it was announced with Cohen.

[grunthy]

Don’t they still have a joint defense agreement? Wouldn’t that be terminated if he was cooperating against trump?

I'm wondering if he's providing info on Jared and Trump Jr.

It could still be for high profile people he worked with in relation to the charges he had against him.

[Troy Loney]

Don’t they still have a joint defense agreement? Wouldn’t that be terminated if he was cooperating against trump?

My question is, is that something they'd announce? Or is the announcement of cooperation meaning it's over by default?

I thought it was announced with Cohen.

It was announced with Cohen I think when he brought on Lanny Davis.

I think with Flynn was when this was most closely tied to cooperation w/Mueller.

[Morkle]

I think next obvious targets are; Stone, Kushner, Jr.

Trump will go mental if any of this happens before midterms.

[grunthy]

I think next obvious targets are; Stone, Kushner, Jr.

Trump will go mental if any of this happens before midterms.

Those have been the next “obvious” targets for like a year and a half.

[Morkle]

Right. But actual indictments.

[Morkle]

Also people making jokes that Mueller just invested 46mm into his investigation. Now Trump can quit crying about how little it actually cost originally.

[Freddy Rumsen]

NEW - statement from Giuliani on Manafort plea - says investigation “nothing to do with President Trump or the Trump campaign” and says “Manafort will tell the truth.”

https://mobile.twitter.com/Santucci/sta ... 0214529024

[Gaucho]

*snicker*

https://twitter.com/EamonJavers/status/ ... 4681207808

[Morkle]

Giuliani has done a great job with all of this. The best job.

[grunthy]

Right. But actual indictments.

Kushner... the guy with a Top Secret SCI clearance is going to get indicted?

[AuthorTony]

The question here is if Feinstein and others really held this to be credible they'd be standing on top of roof shouting and screaming.

The fact she had this and then passed it off to somebody else without really telling anyone says a lot.

It could be that she's being responsible and doesn't want to ruin someone's life over possible untruths... But she's a politician so, nah, she wouldn't have qualms about doing that.

[Morkle]

https://twitter.com/renato_mariotti
THREAD: What does Manafort’s cooperation tell us?

1/ Today prosecutors with Mueller’s office announced that Manafort’s plea agreement in the D.C. case was a “cooperation” agreement. That is big news—Manafort has agreed to tell Mueller everything he knows about potential criminal activity by anyone.

2/ The DOJ does not let defendants cooperate as to some people but not others. If a defendant cooperates, they have to provide the government with truthful and complete answers to any question and be willing to testify in any matter they are asked to be a witness in.

3/ For that reason, Manafort is not cooperating against one person in particular—he has agreed to say everything he knows, and in order to receive a deal, he had to already begin doing so. Prosecutors don’t give deals until after the defendant provides useful info.

4/ This also means that Manafort has something of value to offer Mueller. Mueller would not have given him a deal unless Manafort was able to help Mueller make a case against someone else or significantly strengthen an existing case.

5/ Until we see the plea agreement, we won’t know exactly what Manafort is receiving in return. But aside from being capped at ten years, the main benefit he would likely receive is the government recommending a lower sentence based on his cooperation.

6/ One thing is obvious—Manafort could have gotten a better deal if he flipped in the beginning, instead of wasting hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees fighting Mueller. Until now, it looked like Manafort was angling for a pardon, but flipping runs counter to that.

7/ Trump recently praised Manafort for refusing to “break.” His reaction to this this deal will be worth watching. Manafort was chair of the Trump campaign and he was present at the Trump Tower meeting, so Trump has a reason to be concerned about what he might tell Mueller.

8/ That said, today’s cooperation deal does not necessarily mean that Manafort is getting the deal to flip on Trump. He may be getting the deal because of information he provided about someone else. But the deal does mean that he has to tell Mueller all he knows about Trump. /end

[Freddy Rumsen]

The question here is if Feinstein and others really held this to be credible they'd be standing on top of roof shouting and screaming.

The fact she had this and then passed it off to somebody else without really telling anyone says a lot.

It could be that she's being responsible and doesn't want to ruin someone's life over possible untruths... But she's a politician so, nah, she wouldn't have qualms about doing that.

Not only did she hold off telling us about a teenage rapist, but a lifelong sexual predator

https://mobile.twitter.com/brianefallon ... 2506772480

And a pedophile predator at that...

https://mobile.twitter.com/CahnEmily/st ... 6171718659

[eddy]

MANAFORT orchestrated a scheme to have, "[O]bama jews,” as he described them, pressure the OBAMA administration to support his pro-Russian client YANUKOVYCH by "spreading stories in the US that a senior Cabinet official" was abetting antisemitism by supporting TYMOSHENKO.
https://twitter.com/kenvogel/status/1040601991142154240

a lot of interesting stuff in that thread

[Freddy Rumsen]

This thread is about right on the assessment of the significance of Manafort cooperating.

But I have a little more cold water to dash upon your furrowed brows. Speaking generally, you'd want to lock a cooperator in if you already knew they had good dirt on a higher-up. Hence Cohen's plea explicitly incriminating not-specifically-named people in the campaign and at American Media. That prevents them from easily retracting later. So, if Manafort had anything really specific and juicy about anyone higher up of value, I would have expected to see it incorporated into the plea. It does not seem that it was. That's not conclusive, but it weighs against him already having provided a smoking gun on anyone.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Popehat/stat ... 7366683648