Politics And Current Events

[willeyeam]

People get so butthurt over AOC lol. Who cares

[Freddy Rumsen]

People get so butthurt over AOC lol. Who cares

Who's "butthurt"?

[mikey]

Yeah, I'm not sure about the butthurt part...but...

I'll give credit for her convictions (like I do for Bernie)...I hope she actually is willing to do the work on her own party too...or, better yet, split off and forn another party...

[PFiDC]

She's DSA so she already is another party.

[Freddy Rumsen]

Evidently the States need more money for something.

[Troy Loney]

Garbage take.

That is exactly what the states needed the Covid stimulus for, make up for lost tax revenues.

[Gaucho]

[shafnutz05]

So all of the election nonsense aside...is it okay to say that Operation Warp Speed has been a great program? It sure seems like it.

I don't really care which political party is responsible, but it seems like it has been a very successful partnership between the government and private enterprise.

[willeyeam]

There's one

[Viva la Ben]

Has anyone figured out where all the Hunter Biden stuff came from yet?

[Orlando Penguin]

There's one

Great. Now stop hiding behind a Twitter post and get out on a podium and say it to the news channels. And bring some of your high-ranking friends from that side of the aisle.

[Orlando Penguin]

There's one

Great. Now stop hiding behind a Twitter post and get out on a podium and say it to the news channels. And bring some of your high-ranking friends from that side of the aisle.

[count2infinity]

So all of the election nonsense aside...is it okay to say that Operation Warp Speed has been a great program? It sure seems like it.

I don't really care which political party is responsible, but it seems like it has been a very successful partnership between the government and private enterprise.

We'll see what the distribution looks like, but yes. This thread sort of hits the nail on the head:



Copied and pasted for those that don't want to read the thread on twitter:

I can tell you most of that time is spent doing nothing. It's spent submitting funding requests, then resubmitting them, then waiting, then submitting them somewhere else, then getting the money but the company changes it's mind or focus, then renegotiating then submitting ethics, then waiting for regulators then having problems with recruitment and having to open other sites, then dealing with more regulatory issues, then finally when you eventually get to the end of all of this you might have a therapy or not. At this point it may not be deemed profitable or any number of other obstacles.

However we have collectively now shown that with money no object, some clever and highly motivated people, an unlimited pool of altruistic volunteers and sensible regulators that we can do amazing things (necessity being the mother etc). These trials have been nothing short of miraculous, revolutionary but in the context perhaps it is not surprising given our ability to innovate when we REALLY need to...and we really needed to.

[willeyeam]

To play devil's advocate - how did pfizer seemingly beat moderna without warp speed funding? Oxford seems close as well

[willeyeam]

I assume there's less red tape to go through than normal?

[count2infinity]

To play devil's advocate - how did pfizer seemingly beat moderna without warp speed funding? Oxford seems close as well

They took advantage of a partnership with a Germany company that pretty much already had a vaccine ready to go for a different corona virus. Took the same developmental approach with the new virus and viola... vaccine.

[willeyeam]

Ahh I see

[count2infinity]

I assume there's less red tape to go through than normal?

That too... it's largely a matter of motivation. And surprise, surprise, a once in a hundred years type of pandemic made people motivated.

[mikey]

However we have collectively now shown that with money no object, some clever and highly motivated people, an unlimited pool of altruistic volunteers and sensible regulators that we can do amazing things (necessity being the mother etc)

Just to rub it in...this helps to highlight just how poor the two* parties are at governing...

[Gaucho]

Obviously the key is to put a fancy name to it.

[count2infinity]

I think giving the credit to operation warp speed is nonsense. It certainly helped to throw money at it and get people out of the way that didn't need to be there, but by and large to this point a vaccine would have likely been ready to rock with or without it. Securing means of production, securing dosages, organizing and planning out a distribution: yeah. I think that's really where we'll see it shine. The development part? Not so much.

[meow]

No. We must assign credit to someone. That way we can bash the other side for not doing enough

This is the way

[eddy]

This is the way

[meow]

Do it, c2i! Assign credit! Do it now!

[MWB]

So all of the election nonsense aside...is it okay to say that Operation Warp Speed has been a great program? It sure seems like it.

I don't really care which political party is responsible, but it seems like it has been a very successful partnership between the government and private enterprise.

It certainly doesn’t seem like it hurt, and has seemed positive, so I’m all for it.