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Postby grunthy » Sat Nov 17, 2018 9:40 pm

So nobody thinks literacy tests are ok, got it.
So cbear3 thinks minorities are illiterate... got it.

kidding

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Postby CBear3 » Sat Nov 17, 2018 10:27 pm

Nothing but love little g

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Postby Gaucho » Sun Nov 18, 2018 8:18 am

Trump is asked if seeing the devastation from the California wildfires has changed his opinion on climate change.

Trump: "No. No. I have a strong opinion: I want great climate."

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Postby Trip McNeely » Sun Nov 18, 2018 8:28 am

Trump is asked if seeing the devastation from the California wildfires has changed his opinion on climate change.

Trump: "No. No. I have a strong opinion: I want great climate."
We just need to get people to sweep up all the dead weeds in California and that will prevent forest fires

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Postby shafnutz05 » Sun Nov 18, 2018 8:48 am

Trump's comments on California forest management were undoubtedly ill timed, but there is a lot of truth in that. It is certainly a much bigger contributing factor than climate change.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckdevor ... revention/
As California’s fire season burst back into the headlines, President Trump generated controversy with a weekend tweet emphasizing the role of forest management in these fires:

There is no reason for these massive, deadly and costly forest fires in California except that forest management is so poor. Billions of dollars are given each year, with so many lives lost, all because of gross mismanagement of the forests. Remedy now, or no more Fed payments!”

But here is why it matters.

When deadly fires were burning last August, Mike Marcucci, the assistant chief of CAL FIRE, California’s main firefighting agency, noted in an interview with the CBS affiliate in San Francisco that, “It’s a daunting task that we’re working with some of our cooperators (i.e. federal and local authorities) to make sure we can get some of those trees out of the way to not add to some of the fuel.” CAL FIRE experts expanded on the problem by blaming decades of policy that discouraged controlled burns to reduce the fuel load in the now-burning forests in the north and hillsides in the south, creating tinderbox conditions.

Some of the needed prescribed burns in Southern California’s coastal chaparral and grasslands have been deterred by environmental lawsuits and air quality concerns.

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Postby Trip McNeely » Sun Nov 18, 2018 9:09 am

Trump's comments on California forest management were undoubtedly ill timed, but there is a lot of truth in that. It is certainly a much bigger contributing factor than climate change.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckdevor ... revention/
As California’s fire season burst back into the headlines, President Trump generated controversy with a weekend tweet emphasizing the role of forest management in these fires:

There is no reason for these massive, deadly and costly forest fires in California except that forest management is so poor. Billions of dollars are given each year, with so many lives lost, all because of gross mismanagement of the forests. Remedy now, or no more Fed payments!”

But here is why it matters.

When deadly fires were burning last August, Mike Marcucci, the assistant chief of CAL FIRE, California’s main firefighting agency, noted in an interview with the CBS affiliate in San Francisco that, “It’s a daunting task that we’re working with some of our cooperators (i.e. federal and local authorities) to make sure we can get some of those trees out of the way to not add to some of the fuel.” CAL FIRE experts expanded on the problem by blaming decades of policy that discouraged controlled burns to reduce the fuel load in the now-burning forests in the north and hillsides in the south, creating tinderbox conditions.

Some of the needed prescribed burns in Southern California’s coastal chaparral and grasslands have been deterred by environmental lawsuits and air quality concerns.
It’s a factor. To say it’s a bigger contributing factor than a state which has been in a 10 year drought likely due to climate change probably is pushing it

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Postby MWB » Sun Nov 18, 2018 9:12 am

Stop making people defend Trump.

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Postby grunthy » Sun Nov 18, 2018 9:16 am

Trump's comments on California forest management were undoubtedly ill timed, but there is a lot of truth in that. It is certainly a much bigger contributing factor than climate change.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckdevor ... revention/
As California’s fire season burst back into the headlines, President Trump generated controversy with a weekend tweet emphasizing the role of forest management in these fires:

There is no reason for these massive, deadly and costly forest fires in California except that forest management is so poor. Billions of dollars are given each year, with so many lives lost, all because of gross mismanagement of the forests. Remedy now, or no more Fed payments!”

But here is why it matters.

When deadly fires were burning last August, Mike Marcucci, the assistant chief of CAL FIRE, California’s main firefighting agency, noted in an interview with the CBS affiliate in San Francisco that, “It’s a daunting task that we’re working with some of our cooperators (i.e. federal and local authorities) to make sure we can get some of those trees out of the way to not add to some of the fuel.” CAL FIRE experts expanded on the problem by blaming decades of policy that discouraged controlled burns to reduce the fuel load in the now-burning forests in the north and hillsides in the south, creating tinderbox conditions.

Some of the needed prescribed burns in Southern California’s coastal chaparral and grasslands have been deterred by environmental lawsuits and air quality concerns.
It’s a factor. To say it’s a bigger contributing factor than a state which has been in a 10 year drought likely due to climate change probably is pushing it
California came out of their large drought over a year ago. Just recently did the state start experiencing a drought again.

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Postby grunthy » Sun Nov 18, 2018 9:18 am

Stop making people defend Trump.
Actually it looks like he is criticizing his comments, rightfully so, but providing some information about one of the causes.

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Postby Trip McNeely » Sun Nov 18, 2018 10:54 am

Trump's comments on California forest management were undoubtedly ill timed, but there is a lot of truth in that. It is certainly a much bigger contributing factor than climate change.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckdevor ... revention/
As California’s fire season burst back into the headlines, President Trump generated controversy with a weekend tweet emphasizing the role of forest management in these fires:

There is no reason for these massive, deadly and costly forest fires in California except that forest management is so poor. Billions of dollars are given each year, with so many lives lost, all because of gross mismanagement of the forests. Remedy now, or no more Fed payments!”

But here is why it matters.

When deadly fires were burning last August, Mike Marcucci, the assistant chief of CAL FIRE, California’s main firefighting agency, noted in an interview with the CBS affiliate in San Francisco that, “It’s a daunting task that we’re working with some of our cooperators (i.e. federal and local authorities) to make sure we can get some of those trees out of the way to not add to some of the fuel.” CAL FIRE experts expanded on the problem by blaming decades of policy that discouraged controlled burns to reduce the fuel load in the now-burning forests in the north and hillsides in the south, creating tinderbox conditions.

Some of the needed prescribed burns in Southern California’s coastal chaparral and grasslands have been deterred by environmental lawsuits and air quality concerns.
It’s a factor. To say it’s a bigger contributing factor than a state which has been in a 10 year drought likely due to climate change probably is pushing it
California came out of their large drought over a year ago. Just recently did the state start experiencing a drought again.
So a decade drought, 1 year of reprieve, then drought again.

Trump has also called climate change a hoax and recently said scientists are politically motivated. So **** him and anything he says in regards to these fires....because whatever basis he has for it is from one story on foxnews he probably paid attention to for 30 seconds out of 5 minutes

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Postby MWB » Sun Nov 18, 2018 11:11 am

Stop making people defend Trump.
Actually it looks like he is criticizing his comments, rightfully so, but providing some information about one of the causes.
The MO of the reasonable Trump supporter is to disagree with the delivery of the message, but agree with the message. “Hey, he’s an ass, but everyone knows it. BTW, he’s right.” The RTS is willing to ultimately defend anything he does and says with the cover of agreeing with his “stance.” That’s fine; it’s what everyone does. There is a point where a lot of people will say the messenger has gone too far, and distance themselves though. Doesn’t seem to happen with Trump.

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Postby grunthy » Sun Nov 18, 2018 11:43 am

Trump's comments on California forest management were undoubtedly ill timed, but there is a lot of truth in that. It is certainly a much bigger contributing factor than climate change.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckdevor ... revention/
As California’s fire season burst back into the headlines, President Trump generated controversy with a weekend tweet emphasizing the role of forest management in these fires:

There is no reason for these massive, deadly and costly forest fires in California except that forest management is so poor. Billions of dollars are given each year, with so many lives lost, all because of gross mismanagement of the forests. Remedy now, or no more Fed payments!”

But here is why it matters.

When deadly fires were burning last August, Mike Marcucci, the assistant chief of CAL FIRE, California’s main firefighting agency, noted in an interview with the CBS affiliate in San Francisco that, “It’s a daunting task that we’re working with some of our cooperators (i.e. federal and local authorities) to make sure we can get some of those trees out of the way to not add to some of the fuel.” CAL FIRE experts expanded on the problem by blaming decades of policy that discouraged controlled burns to reduce the fuel load in the now-burning forests in the north and hillsides in the south, creating tinderbox conditions.

Some of the needed prescribed burns in Southern California’s coastal chaparral and grasslands have been deterred by environmental lawsuits and air quality concerns.
It’s a factor. To say it’s a bigger contributing factor than a state which has been in a 10 year drought likely due to climate change probably is pushing it
California came out of their large drought over a year ago. Just recently did the state start experiencing a drought again.
So a decade drought, 1 year of reprieve, then drought again.

Trump has also called climate change a hoax and recently said scientists are politically motivated. So **** him and anything he says in regards to these fires....because whatever basis he has for it is from one story on foxnews he probably paid attention to for 30 seconds out of 5 minutes
Actually it was more of a 5 year drought.

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Postby Trip McNeely » Sun Nov 18, 2018 1:08 pm

Stop making people defend Trump.
Actually it looks like he is criticizing his comments, rightfully so, but providing some information about one of the causes.
The MO of the reasonable Trump supporter is to disagree with the delivery of the message, but agree with the message. “Hey, he’s an ass, but everyone knows it. BTW, he’s right.” The RTS is willing to ultimately defend anything he does and says with the cover of agreeing with his “stance.” That’s fine; it’s what everyone does. There is a point where a lot of people will say the messenger has gone too far, and distance themselves though. Doesn’t seem to happen with Trump.
You essentially pick the 1 statement out of his 10 that is sort of factual, start with a disclaimer that he’s dumb, but then go on to defend how he’s correct

There is a fire covering half of California. Cutting down some dead trees would have done **** considering the state is a dry as a desert right now. But let’s keep on arguing whether climate change is even real because Trump likes his coal voters

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Postby Freddy Rumsen » Sun Nov 18, 2018 1:28 pm

It's like the red herring that storms today cost a lot more in damage than storms in the past. There is incredibly more growth in areas that are prone to disaster so of course more homes and death are going to happen.

It's just a silly to think that raising taxes on the rich and closing coal plants are going to magically make the fires not be as bad. As usual there are lots of things that can be but people aren't interested things that can be done only in those things that can be made to condemn one side or the other.

If you're actually interested in climate change then unlike Al Gore and all the other big-name morons who seem to speak up on the stuff all of the environmentalist should be pushing for more nuclear power but no we can't have that so let's spend all kinds of money on retrograde ideas like wind and solar.

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Postby shafnutz05 » Sun Nov 18, 2018 1:31 pm

Yup. The environmental lobby's nonstop railing against nuclear power tells you exactly where the real priority is: $$$$$

Nuclear technology has advanced a lot since TMI. Embrace it.

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Postby tifosi77 » Sun Nov 18, 2018 1:46 pm

Trump's comments on California forest management were undoubtedly ill timed, but there is a lot of truth in that. It is certainly a much bigger contributing factor than climate change.
It is a factor. It is nowhere close to a predominant factor.

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Postby tifosi77 » Sun Nov 18, 2018 1:55 pm

California came out of their large drought over a year ago. Just recently did the state start experiencing a drought again.
Do you not have any relatives that know how droughts work? Someone who can explain the difference between water table and rainfall levels and fire risk?

Last year was the first in I think four consecutively where we had normal rainfall. That simply replenished the natural aquifers. This year was right back to drought.

Drought conditions here go back to 2006, with the odd one- or two-year break every few years. The fire risk has not really abated.

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Postby grunthy » Sun Nov 18, 2018 2:06 pm

California came out of their large drought over a year ago. Just recently did the state start experiencing a drought again.
Do you not have any relatives that know how droughts work? Someone who can explain the difference between water table and rainfall levels and fire risk?

Last year was the first in I think four consecutively where we had normal rainfall. That simply replenished the natural aquifers. This year was right back to drought.

Drought conditions here go back to 2006, with the odd one- or two-year break every few years. The fire risk has not really abated.
You know California has had like 10 multi year droughts since the 1900s... so one multi year drought every decade or so. Saying they have been in drought conditions since 2006 is wrong and disingenuous. I got my information from us drought monitoring. If you’re going to be a condescending ass, it helps to not be wrong.

Blame your stupid **** ing state for their dumbass regulations when it comes to water conservation. A thousand years ago, almost the entire state was a desert. You’d think you would want a reservoir system that holds more than only a couple months worth of water.

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Postby tifosi77 » Sun Nov 18, 2018 2:11 pm

So that's a no, then?

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Postby grunthy » Sun Nov 18, 2018 2:15 pm

So that's a no, then?
You’re right their aquifers are low, but that is also because of misuse, not just because of low rain.

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Postby Viva la Ben » Sun Nov 18, 2018 2:16 pm

#Civility
So funny to see little Adam Schitt (D-CA) talking about the fact that Acting Attorney General Matt Whitaker was not approved by the Senate, but not mentioning the fact that Bob Mueller (who is highly conflicted) was not approved by the Senate!

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Postby grunthy » Sun Nov 18, 2018 2:23 pm

So that's a no, then?
Oh and an aquifer is an underground water-bearing permeable layers of rock. Figured I help you out there.

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Postby tifosi77 » Sun Nov 18, 2018 2:25 pm

So that's a no, then?
Oh and an aquifer is an underground water-bearing permeable layers of rock. Figured I help you out there.
You really don't know how this works, do you.

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Postby grunthy » Sun Nov 18, 2018 2:33 pm

So that's a no, then?
Oh and an aquifer is an underground water-bearing permeable layers of rock. Figured I help you out there.
You really don't know how this works, do you.

Looks like you don’t. I don’t have the patience to lecture an incorrect condescending ass about aquifers, rivers, rain fall totals and etc. read up on fluid mechanics and get back to me.

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Postby tifosi77 » Sun Nov 18, 2018 2:33 pm

Oh grunty....

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