Politics And Current Events

[Freddy Rumsen]

[Gaucho]

heh

[count2infinity]

Lolol. That’s pretty good.

[meow]

Honestly, those questions would add clarity to the situation

[Tomas]

After all the morning spin has been presented/consumed, Biden now up 5% in terms of election victory chances (60% to 38.5%) and he now has North Carolina back (305 vs 233 in terms of predicted Electoral votes):

https://electionbettingodds.com/

[Beveridge]

I'm waiting for Biden to have the lead Election night and Trump says to wait for mail-in ballots to be counted.

[faftorial]

If they have more debates they should give someone the ability to turn off their microphones when it's not their turn.

[nocera]

If they have more debates they should give someone the ability to turn off their microphones when it's not their turn.

No way they don't already have that ability. They chose not to do that.

[Gaucho]

[shafnutz05]

Antifa being violent is obviously bad but their ideology is actually a positive one

What is your basis for saying that, because of the word "anti-fascist"? These are people that would gladly strip away First Amendment protections and throw people in prison for hate speech (or hell, any speech that they deem to be "hateful"). There is nothing "positive" about Antifa's ideology. It's the same brand of far-left, Marxist/Communist nonsense that in other parts of the world, led to the Khmer Rouge, Cultural Revolution, etc.

Far-left movements, by their very nature, tend to be accompanied by violence, intimidation, etc. Getting in someone's face as they eat at a restaurant and demanding that they say "Black Lives Matter" is the American equivalent of the struggle sessions of the Mao era.

[nocera]

Let's not get into a who's worse pissing match between white supremacy and antifi.

[CBear3]

Let's not get into a who's worse pissing match between white supremacy and antifi.

Violence and intimidation to make people agree with you is bad, umkay.

[King Colby]

KTK is right - biden presidency with red senate would basically keep things relatively status quo for the next 4 years until we could hopefully get a decent candidate (though Meow is probably correct in saying that aint gonna happen).

nobody has suggested that we vote on actual issues and have a default candidate selected. That would be wonderful.

[nocera]

Let's not get into a who's worse pissing match between white supremacy and antifi.

Violence and intimidation to make people agree with you is bad, umkay.

Right. Both of em can **** off. And arguing which is worse is missing the point of the debate question to denounce white supremacy.

[Troy Loney]

KTK is right - biden presidency with red senate would basically keep things relatively status quo for the next 4 years until we could hopefully get a decent candidate (though Meow is probably correct in saying that aint gonna happen).

nobody has suggested that we vote on actual issues and have a default candidate selected. That would be wonderful.

I am pretty sure that is how a parliamentary system would work.

[Troy Loney]

Lots of buyers remorse.

[nocera]

[willeyeam]

Lol

[genoscoif]

Let's not get into a who's worse pissing match between white supremacy and antifi.

Violence and intimidation to make people agree with you is bad, umkay.

Right. Both of em can **** off. And arguing which is worse is missing the point of the debate question to denounce white supremacy.

I think the point that some are making is that one candidate 'insincerely' denounced his group of bad people while the other candidate not only didn't denounce his group of bad people, but said that they didn't exist (just an idea).

Both bad people groups can be fired into the sun, but this isn't whataboutism. Both candidates had an opportunity to denounce violent, hateful groups. One did a bad job of it and the other wouldn't admit they exist. It wasn't a good look for either, but you're only discussing and hearing about how bad one of them was this morning. I find that...typical yet disappointing.

[bhflyhigh]

He didn’t because he just isn’t wired to do what people ask him to, even if it is something as simple as a moderator asking him to condemn extremist groups. In that situation, Wallace could have been asking him to condemn leaving the toilet seat up and trump would have refused to do it.

Well then maybe he isn't wired to be President. People are always covering for what he "meant" to say or "should" have said. The president should be an effective communicator; not a raving incoherent lunatic which people have to cover for him by saying he's just being misinterpreted. If he's that bad at communicating what in the world makes him qualified for a job where clear communication is one of the most important parts of the job.

[Gaucho]

He''s a child.

[CBear3]

Wait, so now we're blasting Biden saying "antifa is a philosphy" is the same as telling the Proud Boys to stand by, despite Biden going out of his way to condemn violence and property damage in a previous question. His comment also agrees with the IC's threat assessments, does it not?

I mean, I get it if you're only watching snips of the debate, but if you watched the whole thing through Biden stopped mid answer, looked directly into the camera and denounced violence and destruction with both hands.

[faftorial]

Wait, so now we're blasting Biden saying "antifa is a philosphy" is the same as telling the Proud Boys to stand by, despite Biden going out of his way to condemn violence and property damage in a previous question. His comment also agrees with the IC's threat assessments, does it not?

I mean, I get it if you're only watching snips of the debate, but if you watched the whole thing through Biden stopped mid answer, looked directly into the camera and denounced violence and destruction with both hands.

Thanks for bringing some clarity to the issue cbear.

[MalkinIsMyHomeboy]

also, again, antifa isn't even in the same universe as white supremacy

antifa is bad but white supremacy is arguably the largest issue of the United States since its inception (decimation of American Indians, slavery, etc.)

[CBear3]

I mean, I get it. He could have gone farther. He could have repeated his plea that violence and destruction is wrong. He could have said that being against Fascism is deeply American, but violence and intimidation to those who have different opinions is morally wrong. He could have mentioned the IC assessment that ANTIFA isn't an organization. So there's a large area for improvement, but to act like he didn't denounce violent protest is wrong.