Ugh. I bet they pat themselves on the back for doing something to better the world too.https://mobile.twitter.com/SmashRacismD ... 0564683776BREAKING. Activists just chased@TedCruz out of a fancy Washington DC restaurant, chanting “We Believe Survivors!” Cruz has been friends with creep Kavanaugh for 20 years. Now Cruz is on judiciary committee hearing his testimony. Fascists not welcome! #CancelKavanugh
That’s pathetic.https://mobile.twitter.com/SmashRacismD ... 0564683776BREAKING. Activists just chased@TedCruz out of a fancy Washington DC restaurant, chanting “We Believe Survivors!” Cruz has been friends with creep Kavanaugh for 20 years. Now Cruz is on judiciary committee hearing his testimony. Fascists not welcome! #CancelKavanugh
I was always told that if a car was trying to run me off the road, I’d better have made contact on that side or else I fell asleep at wheel.You can't.How would you find evidence for someone who was groped and held down in their bedroom by an acquaintance (but managed to break free without any physical damage to them or the accused), with no other witnesses (a date gone bad, basically)?
So, in your eyes, you're acting like this basically never happened, because the accuser was able to get away unscathed?
It depends on a lot of factors, tbh. These are four standard questions I always ask myself when hearing any accusation:In that case I would immediately call the police, as according to state and federal law I am a mandatory reporter and would be in serious trouble if I did not do so. In fact, according to my credentialing agency's policies I would immedialty be demitted from office and lose my position.The accusations against Roy Moore were not only substantial, but had actual evidence attached to them.
Honest question: what would it take for you to believe any sort of sexual assault allegation?
That doesn't really answer my question. Let me rephrase, because I think I was a little vague with my wording:
What would it take for you to believe an accusation of sexual assault outside of the realm of the political sphere?
For example, a female member of your congregation comes up to you tomorrow and says they were sexually assaulted two months ago and gives you a description of the event where details may be hazy because they've spent the past 2 months trying to block out the memory. Would you believe them?
Fair point. Forgot to consider that was a part of your job duties.
I understand it looks like I'm trying to move the goal posts here, but I'm trying to understand your thought process here.
In a case where you are not a mandatory reporter/in the position where you are mandated to report an accusation, how would you determine whether or not you would believe a sexual assault allegation?
Japanese train manufacturers are a pita to work with. Mainly because they are perfectionists.
Saying the Japanese are perfectionists is like saying that the French like drinking wine. 
That is logical.It depends on a lot of factors, tbh. These are four standard questions I always ask myself when hearing any accusation:In that case I would immediately call the police, as according to state and federal law I am a mandatory reporter and would be in serious trouble if I did not do so. In fact, according to my credentialing agency's policies I would immedialty be demitted from office and lose my position.
The accusations against Roy Moore were not only substantial, but had actual evidence attached to them.
That doesn't really answer my question. Let me rephrase, because I think I was a little vague with my wording:
What would it take for you to believe an accusation of sexual assault outside of the realm of the political sphere?
For example, a female member of your congregation comes up to you tomorrow and says they were sexually assaulted two months ago and gives you a description of the event where details may be hazy because they've spent the past 2 months trying to block out the memory. Would you believe them?
Fair point. Forgot to consider that was a part of your job duties.
I understand it looks like I'm trying to move the goal posts here, but I'm trying to understand your thought process here.
In a case where you are not a mandatory reporter/in the position where you are mandated to report an accusation, how would you determine whether or not you would believe a sexual assault allegation?
1) Is the person making the accusation trustworthy in the main?
2) What do I know about the person being accused?
3) Are there any holes in the story that don't pass a reasonable standard?
4) Is there any corroborating evidence, and if not, do I need that to move forward?
My statement was about believing an accuser. Not about how the judicial system works. It is specifically about belief, because for an accuser to come forward they have to have an expectation that someone will believe what they say. More than evidence comes into play with that.
This is an extreme example, and I'm sorry to resort to it, but if you decide tomorrow to get a nice grab of your firm's secretary's knockers, no witnesses and no cameras recording it, according to you that never happened since there would be no physical evidence to prove it? Even though you and your secretary definitely know you did it?
This is getting into semantics here, but the point is about belief. If the only way you can be open to belief in something is evidence, that is problematic to anyone who would come to you with an accusation. When people think like that, it creates an environment of mistrust.My statement was about believing an accuser. Not about how the judicial system works. It is specifically about belief, because for an accuser to come forward they have to have an expectation that someone will believe what they say. More than evidence comes into play with that.
I don't believe in belief by default. They have a right to levy accusations, but whether the accusations go anywhere depends upon whether there is proof. If no proof, then there is no basis to act on the accusations.
This is an extreme example, and I'm sorry to resort to it, but if you decide tomorrow to get a nice grab of your firm's secretary's knockers, no witnesses and no cameras recording it, according to you that never happened since there would be no physical evidence to prove it? Even though you and your secretary definitely know you did it?
I'm not saying that it never happened. I'm saying that there is no way to prove it happened.
I'm sorry, and I know you're being respectful and sincere, but I legitThis is getting into semantics here, but the point is about belief. If the only way you can be open to belief in something is evidence, that is problematic to anyone who would come to you with an accusation. When people think like that, it creates an environment of mistrust.
at the "environment of mistrust." I'm a lawyer. I wouldn't trust most people if they told me grass was green and the sky is blue. 
Now I think more less of him.Cruz has been friends with creep Kavanaugh for 20 years.
@MichaelAvenatti
Brett Kavanaugh must also be asked about this entry in his yearbook: "FFFFFFFourth of July." We believe that this stands for: Find them, French them, Feel them, Finger them, F*ck them, Forget them. As well as the term "Devil's Triangle." Perhaps Sen. Grassley can ask him. #Basta
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Brett Kavanaugh must also be asked about this entry in his yearbook: "FFFFFFFourth of July." We believe that this stands for: Find them, French them, Feel them, Finger them, F*ck them, Forget them. As well as the term "Devil's Triangle." Perhaps Sen. Grassley can ask him. #Basta
This is gay frog level stuff.@MichaelAvenatti
Brett Kavanaugh must also be asked about this entry in his yearbook: "FFFFFFFourth of July." We believe that this stands for: Find them, French them, Feel them, Finger them, F*ck them, Forget them. As well as the term "Devil's Triangle." Perhaps Sen. Grassley can ask him. #Basta
You're angry this morning gunty.@MichaelAvenatti
Brett Kavanaugh must also be asked about this entry in his yearbook: "FFFFFFFourth of July." We believe that this stands for: Find them, French them, Feel them, Finger them, F*ck them, Forget them. As well as the term "Devil's Triangle." Perhaps Sen. Grassley can ask him. #Basta
The stupid flows through Avenatti. He is about to lose his defamation case and possibly not get his depositions in his other case. Can we stop acting like this guy deserves attention?
This is gay frog level stuff.@MichaelAvenatti
Brett Kavanaugh must also be asked about this entry in his yearbook: "FFFFFFFourth of July." We believe that this stands for: Find them, French them, Feel them, Finger them, F*ck them, Forget them. As well as the term "Devil's Triangle." Perhaps Sen. Grassley can ask him. #Basta
I’m glad you’re back. I missed this.You're angry this morning gunty.@MichaelAvenatti
Brett Kavanaugh must also be asked about this entry in his yearbook: "FFFFFFFourth of July." We believe that this stands for: Find them, French them, Feel them, Finger them, F*ck them, Forget them. As well as the term "Devil's Triangle." Perhaps Sen. Grassley can ask him. #Basta
The stupid flows through Avenatti. He is about to lose his defamation case and possibly not get his depositions in his other case. Can we stop acting like this guy deserves attention?
This is gay frog level stuff.@MichaelAvenatti
Brett Kavanaugh must also be asked about this entry in his yearbook: "FFFFFFFourth of July." We believe that this stands for: Find them, French them, Feel them, Finger them, F*ck them, Forget them. As well as the term "Devil's Triangle." Perhaps Sen. Grassley can ask him. #Basta
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Let me be clear: We will disclose the client’s name and accusations only when SHE is ready and we have adequate security measures in place. And not a moment before that. It is her choice and hers alone as to when to surface bc it is her life. We expect it within the next 36 hrs.
Nothing this man says is factual.I think the decoding thing is absolute hogwash. I also find the way he's gone about announcing this disingenuous. BUT, if this person truly is credible, I'm interested in hearing the details. I would hope that the "yearbook" isn't the only evidence that will be used to claim 100% there was misconduct there. It comes off feeling:
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Let me be clear: We will disclose the client’s name and accusations only when SHE is ready and we have adequate security measures in place. And not a moment before that. It is her choice and hers alone as to when to surface bc it is her life. We expect it within the next 36 hrs.
Are you disputing the Stormy Daniels story?
Nothing this man says is factual.
No I’m saying her creepy lawyer (who emotionally abuses women) is a fraud, who will probably be debarred soon.Are you disputing the Stormy Daniels story?
Nothing this man says is factual.
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