Just like the accuser.Ooh, look, another person unwilling to go under oath to attest to their knowledge.
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She's said she's willing to testify under oath after an investigation. That's the normal run of play here.
And presumably she has been advised by her attorney that lying to the FBI is a federal crime (as we've seen many times thanks to the Mueller investigation). So as she's specifically asking for an FBI investigation, she can't be too terribly afraid of perjury.
And presumably she has been advised by her attorney that lying to the FBI is a federal crime (as we've seen many times thanks to the Mueller investigation). So as she's specifically asking for an FBI investigation, she can't be too terribly afraid of perjury.
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Susan Collins evidently has had enough.
https://twitter.com/SenatorCollins/stat ... 4509598721I hope that Dr. Ford will reconsider and testify before the Senate Judiciary Committee on Monday. It is my understanding that the Committee has offered to hold either a public or a private session, whichever would make her more comfortable.
https://twitter.com/frankthorp/status/1 ... 3776294912In Maine radio interview, @SenatorCollins says of Dr Ford: "much to my surprise it now appears she’s turning down all 3 options even though her attorney said earlier this week that she would come testify."
"I just don’t understand why the hearing shouldn’t go forth," she says.
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More from Collins:
https://twitter.com/frankthorp/status/1 ... 3092794368COLLINS on Dr Ford: "I don’t think she can reject, having had made all of these serious allegations, I don’t think she can reject all those options because otherwise there are these very serious allegations hanging over the head of a nominee who has emphatically denied them."
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The damage is done and the objective has been accomplished...she can ride off into the sunset at this point.More from Collins:
https://twitter.com/frankthorp/status/1 ... 3092794368COLLINS on Dr Ford: "I don’t think she can reject, having had made all of these serious allegations, I don’t think she can reject all those options because otherwise there are these very serious allegations hanging over the head of a nominee who has emphatically denied them."
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Assuming she is making a false accusation, because otherwise the damage was done when Kavanaugh and Judge decided to try and rape her.The damage is done and the objective has been accomplished...she can ride off into the sunset at this point.More from Collins:
https://twitter.com/frankthorp/status/1 ... 3092794368COLLINS on Dr Ford: "I don’t think she can reject, having had made all of these serious allegations, I don’t think she can reject all those options because otherwise there are these very serious allegations hanging over the head of a nominee who has emphatically denied them."
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The part that upsets you is democrats believing this woman because it's politically advantageous, as opposed to attacking a potential rape victim because it's politically advantageous.The part that upsets me about this revealing is the Dems don't give a flying hoot about Dr. Ford. They don't want to get justice for if what she is claiming is true, they just want to use her as a prop to keep Kavanaugh out. At least Republicans are upfront about not caring, Dems pretend.
Until we've lived in the slippery slope world where every man is subject to being ostracized for made up sexual assault allegations, I'm much more inclined to believe these women that come forward than not, and wait to express sympathy for the poor men like Brett Kavanaugh that have to deal with the aftermath of the accusation.
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So Kavanaugh deserves to go down as some kind of "leveling" act for past malfeasence?
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So guilty until proven innocent. Hopefully you never deal with a situation like that.The part that upsets you is democrats believing this woman because it's politically advantageous, as opposed to attacking a potential rape victim because it's politically advantageous.The part that upsets me about this revealing is the Dems don't give a flying hoot about Dr. Ford. They don't want to get justice for if what she is claiming is true, they just want to use her as a prop to keep Kavanaugh out. At least Republicans are upfront about not caring, Dems pretend.
Until we've lived in the slippery slope world where every man is subject to being ostracized for made up sexual assault allegations, I'm much more inclined to believe these women that come forward than not, and wait to express sympathy for the poor men like Brett Kavanaugh that have to deal with the aftermath of the accusation.
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In the post-#metoo climate, I too wonder if Feinstein miscalculated this move. Like Freddy said, I wouldn't be surprised if even the whiff of malfeasance would be enough to send him packing. I also think the pendulum has started to swing back a bit, in terms of the "guilty until proven innocent" mantra of #metoo.
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lol, I can promise that I won't have to deal with being accused of sexual assault.So guilty until proven innocent. Hopefully you never deal with a situation like that.The part that upsets you is democrats believing this woman because it's politically advantageous, as opposed to attacking a potential rape victim because it's politically advantageous.The part that upsets me about this revealing is the Dems don't give a flying hoot about Dr. Ford. They don't want to get justice for if what she is claiming is true, they just want to use her as a prop to keep Kavanaugh out. At least Republicans are upfront about not caring, Dems pretend.
Until we've lived in the slippery slope world where every man is subject to being ostracized for made up sexual assault allegations, I'm much more inclined to believe these women that come forward than not, and wait to express sympathy for the poor men like Brett Kavanaugh that have to deal with the aftermath of the accusation.
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Pride goeth before the fall...
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Shouldn’t the background check be done to determine if there is substantial evidence?Since when is an uncorroborated (and explicitly denied) accusation "substantial evidence that the applicant committed a crime"?
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So guilty until proven innocent. Hopefully you never deal with a situation like that.The part that upsets you is democrats believing this woman because it's politically advantageous, as opposed to attacking a potential rape victim because it's politically advantageous.The part that upsets me about this revealing is the Dems don't give a flying hoot about Dr. Ford. They don't want to get justice for if what she is claiming is true, they just want to use her as a prop to keep Kavanaugh out. At least Republicans are upfront about not caring, Dems pretend.
Until we've lived in the slippery slope world where every man is subject to being ostracized for made up sexual assault allegations, I'm much more inclined to believe these women that come forward than not, and wait to express sympathy for the poor men like Brett Kavanaugh that have to deal with the aftermath of the accusation.
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I hereby accuse Troy Loney of sexual assault. He totally attacked me at a party that occurred 36 years ago. I can't remember where or when that happened, and I won't testify about it unless the FBI does an investigation first, but it totally happened and you should all believe me.lol, I can promise that I won't have to deal with being accused of sexual assault.
There, now you have been.
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If this was a criminal trial, innocent before proven guilty would apply. But as a normal person, I don't apply that legal principle to unrelated aspects of life.
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That's scary. Seriously?
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Feinstein had this information for months and waited to release it. This should have been front and center the second Kavanaugh was selected, unless the nomination was before she received the information. You also believe that all these people remember the party and alleged event yet none of this came up one time in any one of the 6 FBI investigations?The part that upsets you is democrats believing this woman because it's politically advantageous, as opposed to attacking a potential rape victim because it's politically advantageous.The part that upsets me about this revealing is the Dems don't give a flying hoot about Dr. Ford. They don't want to get justice for if what she is claiming is true, they just want to use her as a prop to keep Kavanaugh out. At least Republicans are upfront about not caring, Dems pretend.
Until we've lived in the slippery slope world where every man is subject to being ostracized for made up sexual assault allegations, I'm much more inclined to believe these women that come forward than not, and wait to express sympathy for the poor men like Brett Kavanaugh that have to deal with the aftermath of the accusation.
Accusations now are somehow proof and you must prove you're innocent. Both parties should be questioned about the events under oath, and possibly connected to a polygraph. The he said/she said media frenzy is only going to continue with no new information provided other than random people coming out for one side or the other.
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Well, I was six weeks old and can't remember anything. So I can't deny the allegation.
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Feinstein didn't think the accusation was enough to bring up in the public hearing. The accusation was made after the nomination. It was other democrats, upon being made aware of the accusation that forced Feinstein to make the accusation public.
Feinstein had this information for months and waited to release it. This should have been front and center the second Kavanaugh was selected, unless the nomination was before she received the information. You also believe that all these people remember the party and alleged event yet none of this came up one time in any one of the 6 FBI investigations?
Accusations now are somehow proof and you must prove you're innocent. Both parties should be questioned about the events under oath, and possibly connected to a polygraph. The he said/she said media frenzy is only going to continue with no new information provided other than random people coming out for one side or the other.
The prudent thing definitely would have been to forward to the FBI upon hearing of the allegation so it could have been properly reviewed prior to the hearing.
And again, I don't hink Brett K should face criminal repercussions. I don't think this has any bearing on this hearing. But I don't think this woman should be attacked for coming out with this allegation. For all she knew, there were other women that he did this too. Now in this case, it was at worst an isolated incident.
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Since when is an uncorroborated (and explicitly denied) accusation "substantial evidence that the applicant committed a crime"?
Shouldn’t the background check be done to determine if there is substantial evidence?
So they need to conduct an investigation to see whether there is any basis to conduct an investigation?
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So you think the accusations are enough to deem him guilty but don't want him to face criminal repercussions?Feinstein didn't think the accusation was enough to bring up in the public hearing. The accusation was made after the nomination. It was other democrats, upon being made aware of the accusation that forced Feinstein to make the accusation public.
Feinstein had this information for months and waited to release it. This should have been front and center the second Kavanaugh was selected, unless the nomination was before she received the information. You also believe that all these people remember the party and alleged event yet none of this came up one time in any one of the 6 FBI investigations?
Accusations now are somehow proof and you must prove you're innocent. Both parties should be questioned about the events under oath, and possibly connected to a polygraph. The he said/she said media frenzy is only going to continue with no new information provided other than random people coming out for one side or the other.
The prudent thing definitely would have been to forward to the FBI upon hearing of the allegation so it could have been properly reviewed prior to the hearing.
And again, I don't hink Brett K should face criminal repercussions. I don't think this has any bearing on this hearing. But I don't think this woman should be attacked for coming out with this allegation. For all she knew, there were other women that he did this too. Now in this case, it was at worst an isolated incident.
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The FBI already declared they have no intention of investigating as they have no basis in which to conduct one.Feinstein didn't think the accusation was enough to bring up in the public hearing. The accusation was made after the nomination. It was other democrats, upon being made aware of the accusation that forced Feinstein to make the accusation public.
Feinstein had this information for months and waited to release it. This should have been front and center the second Kavanaugh was selected, unless the nomination was before she received the information. You also believe that all these people remember the party and alleged event yet none of this came up one time in any one of the 6 FBI investigations?
Accusations now are somehow proof and you must prove you're innocent. Both parties should be questioned about the events under oath, and possibly connected to a polygraph. The he said/she said media frenzy is only going to continue with no new information provided other than random people coming out for one side or the other.
The prudent thing definitely would have been to forward to the FBI upon hearing of the allegation so it could have been properly reviewed prior to the hearing.
And again, I don't hink Brett K should face criminal repercussions. I don't think this has any bearing on this hearing. But I don't think this woman should be attacked for coming out with this allegation. For all she knew, there were other women that he did this too. Now in this case, it was at worst an isolated incident.
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So now everyone knew about it?
https://mobile.twitter.com/MSNBC/status ... 7677794304NEW: A former schoolmate of Dr. Ford writes on social media that she recalls the alleged Kavanaugh assault incident being discussed at their school, but adds that she has no first-hand information to corroborate the accuser's claims.
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Guilt or innocence are irrelevant. I have no reason to think the woman is lying. I believe he probably did something untoward to this woman a long time ago. Whether that was coming on a little too forceful, or doing what the woman alleged, that will of course never be known, and we don't need to know, because this should not be litigated, nor should it impact this hearing.
So you think the accusations are enough to deem him guilty but don't want him to face criminal repercussions?
That said, I do have a problem with people accusing the woman of making this up. She made the accusation in July, well before the hearings and it should have been part of any background check, and if this behavior was something other than an isolated act from Kavanaugh, it likely would have been revealed. But absent that, it coming out now is a political move from the dems, but at the same time, is keeping that allegation a secret really the best course? We just had this public spectacle and public outpouring from all walks of this guys left talking about what a super guy he is. Imagine what that must have been like for this woman?
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