Politics And Current Events

Postby **Gaucho** » Tue Dec 17, 2019 7:02 am

"Why is this okay?"

Postby **faftorial** » Tue Dec 17, 2019 7:35 am

If it hits people I don't like, actual reporting standards aren't all that important.

Faux News proves that.

You should get a job with the Scientologists as a flak.

Postby **Freddy Rumsen** » Tue Dec 17, 2019 7:50 am

The Mormons are a false religion founded by a nutjob, and then after a mob got him were led by an even bigger nutjob. I'm not sure "mormon flak" is high on my resume.

Postby **NAN** » Tue Dec 17, 2019 9:06 am

Spoilered for guy in SF taking dump in Safeway.

I said it before, I'll say it again. Reopen the mental institutions (with DOH oversight, of course). It's insane to let the homeless/addicted take over your city like this.

Not according to some on here. Let them do what they want.

Postby **CBear3** » Tue Dec 17, 2019 9:19 am

Yep, attacking Freddy for pointing out errors in an article decrying the Mormon Church is like attacking WK for pointing out errors in an article about decrying Capitalism.

Postby **shafnutz05** » Tue Dec 17, 2019 9:19 am

I figured that you would carry water for them too. Boo.

lol you really think that Freddy would carry water for the Mormons?! You do not seem to know him very well then

Postby **count2infinity** » Tue Dec 17, 2019 9:21 am

Hello... my name is Elder Freddy.

Postby **bhflyhigh** » Tue Dec 17, 2019 10:30 am

Spoilered for guy in SF taking dump in Safeway.

I said it before, I'll say it again. Reopen the mental institutions (with DOH oversight, of course). It's insane to let the homeless/addicted take over your city like this.

Well that's going to take tax money. I thought you red blooded GOP folk were against that sort of thing? Free markets and all.

Postby **Gaucho** » Tue Dec 17, 2019 10:35 am

Postby **tifosi77** » Tue Dec 17, 2019 11:14 am

Mormons aren't any more loopy than, say, Catholics or Jews or......... really, they're all just flavors of stupid. Which is why I respectfully abstain from the religion discussion thread.

Postby **grunthy** » Tue Dec 17, 2019 11:23 am

Mormons aren't any more loopy than, say, Catholics, atheists or Jews or......... really, they're all just flavors of stupid. Which is why I respectfully abstain from the religion discussion thread.

ftfy

Postby **tifosi77** » Tue Dec 17, 2019 11:26 am

SO FUNNY! I see what you did there!! THat's so clever. hahahahha

Postby **robbiestoupe** » Tue Dec 17, 2019 11:40 am

What did you expect when you call 85% of the population stupid?

Postby **tifosi77** » Tue Dec 17, 2019 11:44 am

I dunno, perhaps not stupidity?

Postby **MWB** » Tue Dec 17, 2019 11:50 am

Religions of all kinds require a belief in something that can’t be proven. Atheism does not. Not sure how there is a connection there.

Postby **shafnutz05** » Tue Dec 17, 2019 11:54 am

Religions of all kinds require a belief in something that can’t be proven. Atheism does not. Not sure how there is a connection there.

In fairness, atheism absolutely requires a belief in something that by its very nature can never be proven. Namely, that the universe/Big Bang literally emanated from nothing. I'm not even talking about Earth or humanity specifically. I am talking about having a 100% belief that there is absolutely no guiding hand in the universe, which is a requirement of atheism. That the Big Bang just...was. IMO, that requires a leap of "faith" that is just as sizable as believing that something created the universe, whether it is a "God" or someone outside the snowglobe.

Postby **Gaucho** » Tue Dec 17, 2019 11:56 am

Postby **CBear3** » Tue Dec 17, 2019 12:00 pm

Well, tif just lit a firecracker for the day...

And I agree with shaf. By extension, atheism means you believe something just popped randomly at the Big Bang, and that hasn't been proven either. Now on the next level, there's a bunch of on the surface hokey stuff that religions believe more than just "there is a God" theism entails, which would further tif's point.

Being agnostic is really the "sane" one in that regard. I don't know, and it can't be proven, so I'm not worrying about.

Postby **tifosi77** » Tue Dec 17, 2019 12:05 pm

Atheism does not require a belief in the Big Bang. I mean... it helps, sure. But the two are not interdependent.

Atheism is merely the absence of belief in a divine hand. In other words, look at all the reasons why you reject belief in all the other faiths in the world but the one you chose to follow, and simply apply that same rigorous analysis to that one extra degree.

Postby **Troy Loney** » Tue Dec 17, 2019 12:06 pm

I think understanding that humanity is just a blip on earth's radar, let alone the galaxy makes all the religious ideas of creation loony sauce.

Postby **Gabe** » Tue Dec 17, 2019 12:12 pm

I grew up in a fundamentalist-ish conservative home and up until very recently subscribed to all of the nonsensical apologetics. Eh, I think at best agnosticism provides the fairest answer, but I'm liking the atheist argument as well. Religion is all just a scam to either make money, support a megalomaniac, or an attempt to make people feel better about their lousy lot in life, while giving them a hope for an afterlife.

Just enjoy the one thing you know for sure is real, people - your actual, physical life that you are in right now. The rest isn't worth worrying about.

Postby **tifosi77** » Tue Dec 17, 2019 12:13 pm

Postby **Troy Loney** » Tue Dec 17, 2019 12:25 pm

I grew up in a fundamentalist-ish conservative home and up until very recently subscribed to all of the nonsensical apologetics. Eh, I think at best agnosticism provides the fairest answer, but I'm liking the atheist argument as well. Religion is all just a scam to either make money, support a megalomaniac, or an attempt to make people feel better about their lousy lot in life, while giving them a hope for an afterlife.

Just enjoy the one thing you know for sure is real, people - your actual, physical life that you are in right now. The rest isn't worth worrying about.

I think, religion, like any other societal creation is vulnerable to manipulation and bad actors. But there's nothing inherently bad about religion. The function is to help people.

Postby **tifosi77** » Tue Dec 17, 2019 12:28 pm

If you believe, as I do, that that last sentence is more accurate by replacing 'help' with 'control', then it negates the validity of the preceding sentences.

Postby **MWB** » Tue Dec 17, 2019 12:35 pm

Religions of all kinds require a belief in something that can’t be proven. Atheism does not. Not sure how there is a connection there.
In fairness, atheism absolutely requires a belief in something that by its very nature can never be proven. Namely, that the universe/Big Bang literally emanated from nothing. I'm not even talking about Earth or humanity specifically. I am talking about having a 100% belief that there is absolutely no guiding hand in the universe, which is a requirement of atheism. That the Big Bang just...was. IMO, that requires a leap of "faith" that is just as sizable as believing that something created the universe, whether it is a "God" or someone outside the snowglobe.

Not knowing how something happened isn’t a belief. Atheism, as I understand it, is not believing in the existence of deities.

The larger point though is that each religion requires a belief in the existence of something that can’t be seen or proven. So I can understand tif’s point that they’re all loopy.