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Postby shafnutz05 » Tue Jan 26, 2021 5:54 pm

"poor"

I'd kinda like it if we held ourselves to the highest of standards, not "Well, we're not Brazil or India. That's good enough."
I was anticipating that response. I agree with you. But I'm not just talking about the third world.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstal ... -humanity/
However, look at it a little more closely in relation to other countries. We’re often told that to be poor in the US is much worse than being poor in the social democracies of Europe. And the bottom 10% in the US are indeed worse off than the bottom 10% in Sweden. But they’re better off than the bottom 10% in Germany or France: places where we are told that there is indeed that social democracy.
Maybe it’s true that the US doesn’t do enough for the poor in the US. That’s rather a judgement call based upon your own morals. But it’s very difficult to see in the actual figures that the US doesn’t do enough. The poor in the US are richer than around 70% of all the people extant. The poor in the US are about as poor, perhaps a bit richer, than the poor in other rich countries. It is true that there is more inequality in the US: but this isn’t because the poor are poorer. It’s because the rich are richer.

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Postby willeyeam » Tue Jan 26, 2021 5:59 pm

I know Australia tiers it based off age, and I wonder if that would work in this instance. Maybe the 17 year old girls working at DQ over the summer don't make the same as the 30 year old single mom working at the sub shop.
Now we're talking. :thumb:

It's the blanket, one size fits all approach to this that bothers me the most.
but that also goes against the free market preference in me.. why would one person make more for doing the same exact job? just talking out loud
I think rationale behind the tiering is that the labor isn't the focus, it's what the person doing the work is likely facing on the. The 17 year old probably isn't buying groceries, paying rent, footing utility bills, etc.

I don't really agree or disagree with the concept, but I think it's an interesting approach to addressing the issue.
yeah exactly. i get it, just not sure how i feel about it totally

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Postby PFiDC » Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:02 pm

$11 an hour is about 23K a year gross. Say 17K net.

Lets say for 1 single person who walks to work and their stores (no car)

Yearly Expenses
Rent - 500 a month (6000)
Groceries (including toiletries, housekeeping products, etc.) - 400 a month (4800)
Phone - 50 a month (600)
Gas - 35 a month (420)
Electric - 100 a month (1200)
Water/Sewage - 25 a month (300)
Health Insurance - 200 a month (2400)
TOTAL - 15,720

17,000 - 15720 = $1280 remaining

I guess that is a livable wage? If one can find housing for $500 a month. My 1BR in Pittsburgh last year was $800 a month.

Let's add a car and car insurance ($250 a month for the car and $75 a month for the insurance = $3900 not counting fuel

If you make $11 an hour you cannot afford to live and have a car. Is a car a right? Not at all but its something to consider.

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Postby MalkinIsMyHomeboy » Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:04 pm

I like it in theory but it’s impossible in practice

A 30 year old single mother has the same responsibilities as a 18 year old single mother so saying the former should make more than the latter is unfair. Also, I’d you're a business and you’re interviewing a 30 year old and a 17 year old and figure the 17 year old can do as good as a job but you can pay them $7 less, of course you’ll hire them over the 30 year old

etc etc. it becomes way too complex to actually put into practice

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Postby tifosi77 » Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:07 pm

"poor"

I'd kinda like it if we held ourselves to the highest of standards, not "Well, we're not Brazil or India. That's good enough."
I was anticipating that response. I agree with you. But I'm not just talking about the third world.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstal ... -humanity/
However, look at it a little more closely in relation to other countries. We’re often told that to be poor in the US is much worse than being poor in the social democracies of Europe. And the bottom 10% in the US are indeed worse off than the bottom 10% in Sweden. But they’re better off than the bottom 10% in Germany or France: places where we are told that there is indeed that social democracy.
Maybe it’s true that the US doesn’t do enough for the poor in the US. That’s rather a judgement call based upon your own morals. But it’s very difficult to see in the actual figures that the US doesn’t do enough. The poor in the US are richer than around 70% of all the people extant. The poor in the US are about as poor, perhaps a bit richer, than the poor in other rich countries. It is true that there is more inequality in the US: but this isn’t because the poor are poorer. It’s because the rich are richer.
The same sentiment applies. Brazil and India are just low-hanging fruit examples. I don't want us looking down at European nations, patting ourselves on the back for the wonderful lifestyle someone in public housing and on food stamps lives. I'd rather we look up at ways we can make it even better.

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Postby NAN » Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:11 pm

Putin!

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Postby tifosi77 » Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:13 pm

Leahy looked completely out of it during the coverage of the vote this afternoon. The lead parliamentarian was feeding him his procedural script (which is fine and normal), but he was incoherent when giving the readback for the record.

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Postby King Colby » Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:50 pm

$11 an hour is about 23K a year gross. Say 17K net.

Lets say for 1 single person who walks to work and their stores (no car)

Yearly Expenses
Rent - 500 a month (6000)
Groceries (including toiletries, housekeeping products, etc.) - 400 a month (4800)
Phone - 50 a month (600)
Gas - 35 a month (420)
Electric - 100 a month (1200)
Water/Sewage - 25 a month (300)
Health Insurance - 200 a month (2400)
TOTAL - 15,720

17,000 - 15720 = $1280 remaining

I guess that is a livable wage? If one can find housing for $500 a month. My 1BR in Pittsburgh last year was $800 a month.

Let's add a car and car insurance ($250 a month for the car and $75 a month for the insurance = $3900 not counting fuel

If you make $11 an hour you cannot afford to live and have a car. Is a car a right? Not at all but its something to consider.
If you make 23k a year you qualify for a lot of **** like food stamps and housing assistance.
probably

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Postby blackjack68 » Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:53 pm

Putin!
First thing I said to my wife.

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Postby PFiDC » Tue Jan 26, 2021 7:21 pm

$11 an hour is about 23K a year gross. Say 17K net.

Lets say for 1 single person who walks to work and their stores (no car)

Yearly Expenses
Rent - 500 a month (6000)
Groceries (including toiletries, housekeeping products, etc.) - 400 a month (4800)
Phone - 50 a month (600)
Gas - 35 a month (420)
Electric - 100 a month (1200)
Water/Sewage - 25 a month (300)
Health Insurance - 200 a month (2400)
TOTAL - 15,720

17,000 - 15720 = $1280 remaining

I guess that is a livable wage? If one can find housing for $500 a month. My 1BR in Pittsburgh last year was $800 a month.

Let's add a car and car insurance ($250 a month for the car and $75 a month for the insurance = $3900 not counting fuel

If you make $11 an hour you cannot afford to live and have a car. Is a car a right? Not at all but its something to consider.
If you make 23k a year you qualify for a lot of **** like food stamps and housing assistance.
probably
Kinda sounds like 23K a year isn't a living wage then...

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Postby Morkle » Tue Jan 26, 2021 7:21 pm

lol republicans don’t care about the impeachment trial anyways. Rand Paul brining the unconstitutional vote today and how the republicans fell in line told you all you need to know.

These unity pricks don’t care about it.

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Postby shafnutz05 » Tue Jan 26, 2021 7:21 pm

The same sentiment applies. Brazil and India are just low-hanging fruit examples. I don't want us looking down at European nations, patting ourselves on the back for the wonderful lifestyle someone in public housing and on food stamps lives. I'd rather we look up at ways we can make it even better.


I mean sure... In a utopian world, I totally agree with you. But at what cost? My wife and I both work very hard to achieve the lifestyle we have. Do you believe that everyone should be entitled to the same regardless of occupation, status, etc? We are never going to live in a world of income equality. And that's okay, frankly. As long as we take care of those in need, within reason.

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Postby faftorial » Tue Jan 26, 2021 7:29 pm

Putin!
You should apply to the Babylon Bee.

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Postby King Colby » Tue Jan 26, 2021 7:31 pm

$11 an hour is about 23K a year gross. Say 17K net.

Lets say for 1 single person who walks to work and their stores (no car)

Yearly Expenses
Rent - 500 a month (6000)
Groceries (including toiletries, housekeeping products, etc.) - 400 a month (4800)
Phone - 50 a month (600)
Gas - 35 a month (420)
Electric - 100 a month (1200)
Water/Sewage - 25 a month (300)
Health Insurance - 200 a month (2400)
TOTAL - 15,720

17,000 - 15720 = $1280 remaining

I guess that is a livable wage? If one can find housing for $500 a month. My 1BR in Pittsburgh last year was $800 a month.

Let's add a car and car insurance ($250 a month for the car and $75 a month for the insurance = $3900 not counting fuel

If you make $11 an hour you cannot afford to live and have a car. Is a car a right? Not at all but its something to consider.
If you make 23k a year you qualify for a lot of **** like food stamps and housing assistance.
probably
Kinda sounds like 23K a year isn't a living wage then...
Isn't the point of those progrums to adjust for non-living wages? So raise the minimum wage and scale them back then.

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Postby NAN » Tue Jan 26, 2021 7:35 pm

Putin!
You should apply to the Babylon Bee.
I'm a middle manager there.

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Postby faftorial » Tue Jan 26, 2021 7:38 pm

The same sentiment applies. Brazil and India are just low-hanging fruit examples. I don't want us looking down at European nations, patting ourselves on the back for the wonderful lifestyle someone in public housing and on food stamps lives. I'd rather we look up at ways we can make it even better.


I mean sure... In a utopian world, I totally agree with you. But at what cost? My wife and I both work very hard to achieve the lifestyle we have. Do you believe that everyone should be entitled to the same regardless of occupation, status, etc? We are never going to live in a world of income equality. And that's okay, frankly. As long as we take care of those in need, within reason.
The way it is now, we (anyone who pays federal and state taxes) are subsidizing businesses that pay people low wages.

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Postby PFiDC » Tue Jan 26, 2021 8:13 pm

$11 an hour is about 23K a year gross. Say 17K net.

Lets say for 1 single person who walks to work and their stores (no car)

Yearly Expenses
Rent - 500 a month (6000)
Groceries (including toiletries, housekeeping products, etc.) - 400 a month (4800)
Phone - 50 a month (600)
Gas - 35 a month (420)
Electric - 100 a month (1200)
Water/Sewage - 25 a month (300)
Health Insurance - 200 a month (2400)
TOTAL - 15,720

17,000 - 15720 = $1280 remaining

I guess that is a livable wage? If one can find housing for $500 a month. My 1BR in Pittsburgh last year was $800 a month.

Let's add a car and car insurance ($250 a month for the car and $75 a month for the insurance = $3900 not counting fuel

If you make $11 an hour you cannot afford to live and have a car. Is a car a right? Not at all but its something to consider.
If you make 23k a year you qualify for a lot of **** like food stamps and housing assistance.
probably
Kinda sounds like 23K a year isn't a living wage then...
Isn't the point of those progrums to adjust for non-living wages? So raise the minimum wage and scale them back then.
As has been said, $11 an hour might be a living wage in Beaver, PA but it's not in NYC. There isn't a national minimum wage that works.

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Postby dodint » Tue Jan 26, 2021 8:25 pm

If only we had an assembled body of representatives to work on difficult issues facing their constituencies. Like, all they would do is make laws.

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Postby Freddy Rumsen » Tue Jan 26, 2021 8:30 pm

This is nuts.


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Postby Shyster » Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:07 pm

The argument about whether the minimum wage should be raised IMO completely misses the point. People endlessly argue about whether the min wage should increase and by how much, but they don't pay much attention to the inflation that is driving the issue. Yes, inflation makes the minimum wage worth less. And what causes inflation? The devaluation of our currency. And what entity causes the devaluation of our money? The federal government and the Federal Reserve, though endless printing and pulling money from thin air.

If the money supply were stable there'd be no need to adjust the min wage for inflation because there would be no inflation. All of the problems encompassed in the minimum-wage argument are caused by the government in the first place.

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Postby dodint » Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:25 pm

Cool.

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Postby Shyster » Tue Jan 26, 2021 11:53 pm

Democrats suddenly becoming opposed to national injunctions in 3, 2, 1...


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Postby CBear3 » Wed Jan 27, 2021 8:13 am

I think it’s weird that you can file an injunction to force the government to do “something” versus creating new actions. Regardless, it’ll be interesting to see how the judiciary handles this as a whole and if the plethora of judges Trump got confirmed will have an effect.

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Postby Troy Loney » Wed Jan 27, 2021 9:38 am



How convenient.

Also interesting how all the people commenting on this have no clue what being an “informer” is. He is not ratting out other proud boys.

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