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Postby CBear3 » Tue Oct 15, 2019 2:24 pm

https://www.propublica.org/article/we-f ... nistration

I really don't think it's hard to make the case that Trump has outsourced government to the "swamp". Obviously none of this matters to the die-hards, but I think you cut into his rural margins with the message of Trump being a corporate/industry president. The democrat has to figure out how to ignore the culture war stuff and just talk political-economy.
Exactly. Trump is going to try to lather the base up with immigrants (see Somali bit), law & order (see dead soldier bit), trans bathrooms, I lowered your taxes, gun control, and infanticide.

Democrats can make headway on health care, general national security (failure as commander-in-chief, sending mercenaries to SA), and being in the corner of big business and pay for play.

In a lot of ways if you just kept Syria/ISIS/Saudi Arabia in the limelight having a candidate that was an office in the military running for the Dems would be pretty big boon.

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Postby tifosi77 » Tue Oct 15, 2019 2:54 pm

But absent any occurrence showing that Joe Biden was influenced to make decisions based on that arrangement, there is no "there-there".
If we are to take the conspiracy theory at face value and presume some of its assertions (re Hunter Biden) are factual, then it follows that Biden's insistence that the Ukrainian prosecutor be fired (an act that was called for by pretty much all Western/EU democracies and NGOs like the IMF and such) would have actually increased the potential risk of legal exposure to his son if followed through.

Most conspiracy theories are stupid if the barest amount of thought is applied. This one is uncommonly silly.

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Postby tifosi77 » Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:12 pm

That said, it's Warren's nomination to lose at this point. It will be very interesting to see how she appeals to the rust belt, because I think she is going to have the same hurdles (unlikable, elitist female candidate) that Hillary had. Biden would be much better suited to winning back Ohio, Michigan, etc.
We're still months away from any primary votes being cast, never mind the general. But RCP polling average right now has Warren +4 v Trump in Michigan, +2 in Wisconsin (+4 in Fox News polling) (have not seen aggregated numbers for Ohio or PA yet). And in all four of those rust belt states, Trump is underwater in approval, in some cases by double digits.

Warren has nothing like Hillary's baggage. HRC brought 20 years worth of dislike to the table, which made her a uniquely terrible and imo patently unsuitable candidate for national office, and the DNC - while well within the bounds of their principles as a party - were monumentally stupid to put so much effort into thumbing the scales in her favor. This lamentable stuff was baked into her candidacy from day 1, and she did herself no favors with her campaign strategy of taking 1/3 of her potential voters for granted.

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Postby Troy Loney » Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:18 pm

But absent any occurrence showing that Joe Biden was influenced to make decisions based on that arrangement, there is no "there-there".
If we are to take the conspiracy theory at face value and presume some of its assertions (re Hunter Biden) are factual, then it follows that Biden's insistence that the Ukrainian prosecutor be fired (an act that was called for by pretty much all Western/EU democracies and NGOs like the IMF and such) would have actually increased the potential risk of legal exposure to his son if followed through.

Most conspiracy theories are stupid if the barest amount of thought is applied. This one is uncommonly silly.
Right, they're essentially just trying to turn Hunter Biden into a euphemism for corruption and nepotism. Now, Hunter Biden is a dipshit, he would serve himself best to just not make any public statements and let this whole thing fizzle out. So now you end up with the Trumps decrying nepotism and corruption, and they are not the best messengers on that issue.

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Postby Freddy Rumsen » Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:41 pm

A big problem with Trump has always been that he says the quiet parts out loud because he's a doofus.

Literally no human being should be surprised at government nepotism or corruption.

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Postby Ted » Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:45 pm

lol at referencing real clear politics.

Wisconsin 2016: final poll Clinton +6.5 result Trump +0.7
Michigan 2016: final poll Clinton +3.4 result Trump +0.3

I’m guessing the “Trump is uniquely bad, 2016 was a special case” crowd now were the “Trump has no chance” crowd in 2016.

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Postby Willie Kool » Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:49 pm

I think the more people get exposed to Warren, the more people will dislike her.
Except the exact opposite is what's actually happening.
She looks and sounds like a really mean, Nurse Ratched-looking fraulein.
Just what this f*cked up nation of lunatics needs to keep them in line.
It will be very interesting to see how she appeals to the rust belt, because I think she is going to have the same hurdles (unlikable, elitist female candidate) that Hillary had.
She is neither unlikeable nor elitist. The only similar hurdle she will face is the misoginist hurdle.
Biden would be much better suited to winning back Ohio, Michigan, etc.
Because he's a man? He's a joke of a candidate who is only holding on in the polls because he's seen by the ignorant as the safe choice and because Obama.

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Postby MWB » Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:01 pm

The last two things from WK’s post, times 1000.

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Postby crusherstasiak » Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:04 pm



to think i wasted the word 'hate' on the caps and flyers

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Postby Morkle » Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:13 pm

lol dude is such a putz.

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Postby CBear3 » Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:36 pm

I think the more people get exposed to Warren, the more people will dislike her.
Except the exact opposite is what's actually happening.
She looks and sounds like a really mean, Nurse Ratched-looking fraulein.
Just what this f*cked up nation of lunatics needs to keep them in line.
It will be very interesting to see how she appeals to the rust belt, because I think she is going to have the same hurdles (unlikable, elitist female candidate) that Hillary had.
She is neither unlikeable nor elitist. The only similar hurdle she will face is the misoginist hurdle.
Biden would be much better suited to winning back Ohio, Michigan, etc.
Because he's a man? He's a joke of a candidate who is only holding on in the polls because he's seen by the ignorant as the safe choice and because Obama.
Agree on point 2. The Indian thing is going to set some people off, but more than likely they were already going to vote for Trump.

On point 3, you're wearing Venezuela colored glasses. :lol: You've got a year until the general, and when talking about wealth taxes to pay for green energy plans or MFA or college tuition, all the rust belt voters see is a decrease in their take home pay without a real benefit to them. Long term, that may be what those coveted rust-belt voters and their neighbors need but it's pretty obvious that they're not buying yet. So instead you look at Biden, who isn't trying to change anything dramatically, and won't be the drunk, embarrassing Uncle that Trump is spouting nonsense or conspiracy theories and trying to play tough guy.
He's the timeout candidate. He's going to play it conservative and is a known milquetoast politician. And knowing that the chances of the left taking control of the Senate are close to nil, a Warren presidency won't get anything accomplished except increasing animosity between the populace as she puts very left wing propositions on her agenda that the right will decry at the top of their lungs.

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Postby grunthy » Tue Oct 15, 2019 5:01 pm

I think the more people get exposed to Warren, the more people will dislike her.
Except the exact opposite is what's actually happening.
She looks and sounds like a really mean, Nurse Ratched-looking fraulein.
Just what this f*cked up nation of lunatics needs to keep them in line.
It will be very interesting to see how she appeals to the rust belt, because I think she is going to have the same hurdles (unlikable, elitist female candidate) that Hillary had.
She is neither unlikeable nor elitist. The only similar hurdle she will face is the misoginist hurdle.
Biden would be much better suited to winning back Ohio, Michigan, etc.
Because he's a man? He's a joke of a candidate who is only holding on in the polls because he's seen by the ignorant as the safe choice and because Obama.
Excuse already built in. Well done.

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Postby shafnutz05 » Tue Oct 15, 2019 5:23 pm

Trump is losing in 2020 barring the Democrats surprise nominating Ilhan Omar. And I don't even know how old she is.

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Postby Gaucho » Tue Oct 15, 2019 5:27 pm

She's 38.

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Postby grunthy » Tue Oct 15, 2019 5:27 pm

Trump is losing in 2020 barring the Democrats surprise nominating Ilhan Omar. And I don't even know how old she is.
I don’t believe warren is capable of winning Ohio, Michigan and such.

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Postby Gaucho » Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:32 pm

Germany's Minister of the Interior Horst Seehofer blames video games for the attack in Halle.

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Postby AuthorTony » Tue Oct 15, 2019 8:31 pm

I think Mayor Pete is jockeying to be Biden's VP choice. Or for a 2024 run should Trump be reelected.

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Postby Morkle » Tue Oct 15, 2019 8:32 pm

Legit why is this such a talking point? Votes aren’t needed for an impeachment inquiry?

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Postby AuthorTony » Tue Oct 15, 2019 8:33 pm

Legit why is this such a talking point? Votes aren’t needed for an impeachment inquiry?
Trump wanted names on record so he, and the Rs, could go on the attack.

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Postby Morkle » Tue Oct 15, 2019 8:39 pm

Legit why is this such a talking point? Votes aren’t needed for an impeachment inquiry?
Trump wanted names on record so he, and the Rs, could go on the attack.
Right, but there is no legal precedent that they need to vote. Giving them the vote is ornamental and gives Trump the feeling that he dictated the vote.

Just tired of seeing the “PuT iT tO a VoTE fOr iT tO CoUnT” people.

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Postby Willie Kool » Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:46 pm

Biden... won't be the drunk, embarrassing Uncle that Trump is spouting nonsense or conspiracy theories and trying to play tough guy.
Other than the conspiracy theories, that's kinda what Biden looks like now.
He's... a known milquetoast politician.

And nothing drums up excitement and drives turnout quite like that.
And knowing that the chances of the left taking control of the Senate are close to nil
Senate in 2020 is possible but unlikely. Eyes should be on 2022.
a Warren presidency won't get anything accomplished except increasing animosity between the populace as she puts very left wing propositions on her agenda that the right will decry at the top of their lungs.
The right will decry any Democratic agenda as 'very left wing' at the top of their lungs, as they have for years. Might as well actually make it one.

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Postby grunthy » Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:59 pm

Legit why is this such a talking point? Votes aren’t needed for an impeachment inquiry?
Trump wanted names on record so he, and the Rs, could go on the attack.
Right, but there is no legal precedent that they need to vote. Giving them the vote is ornamental and gives Trump the feeling that he dictated the vote.

Just tired of seeing the “PuT iT tO a VoTE fOr iT tO CoUnT” people.
Republicans would get subpoena power i believe if there was a full vote.

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