Politics And Current Events

[NTP66]

"I mean 'armed,' when you hear 'armed,' don’t you think of firearms? Here’s the questions I would have liked to ask. How many firearms were confiscated? How many shots were fired? I’m only aware of one and I’ll defend that law enforcement officer for taking that shot. It was a tragedy, OK? But I think there was only one."

What a piece of work this hillbilly goat **** is.

[Morkle]

Starting to make the rounds everywhere. Pretty good freak-out.

[Pavel Bure]

Lockdown drills should end yesterday.

They aren’t teaching kids to immediately jump out of classroom windows. They aren’t teaching them about moving all the furniture in the room up against the door. They aren’t teaching them that the only chance of survival after a shooter has entered the room is for one or more students to sacrifice themselves by bum rushing them.

There’s no point. Causes more suffering than it prevents.

When I was a teacher our training was pretty good considering the situation we were preparing for. We had a class taught by law enforcement about how active shooters operate. We learned that police will enter the building immediately and our goal was to not present targets of opportunity to a gunman.

As for actions in the classroom. We had giant sticky notes that we put over the door so no one could see in. We had a key that would lock the door from the inside. We were directed to put objects in front of the door. Lastly we were taught to hide out of sight. Typically that meant the entire class to a be side of the room so there was no angle to see people in the room. Lastly, and only as a last resort, if an active shooter somehow got in the room we had to fight as the shooter was most likely to shoot you regardless so the best chance of survival was to attack with any objects you had.

IMO it’s disingenuous to say they shouldn’t have these drills.

[MWB]

Lockdown drills should end yesterday.

They aren’t teaching kids to immediately jump out of classroom windows. They aren’t teaching them about moving all the furniture in the room up against the door. They aren’t teaching them that the only chance of survival after a shooter has entered the room is for one or more students to sacrifice themselves by bum rushing them.

There’s no point. Causes more suffering than it prevents.

The current drill is run hide fight. So, at least locally, they ARE teaching them to jump out of classroom windows/exit as soon as its safe, then if it isn't safe to barricade themselves in, and if that doesn't work to fight like hell with anything they can grab.

This is what our “drill” is.

[shmenguin]

In my kids elementary school they teach them where to hide in the classroom so they aren't all standing in front of the door where the shooter has a clear view. They teach them to get out of the site lines and duck and hide. That is the best you can do with young children. They aren't going to jump out windows and bum rush anyone.

That's true. I should clarify that I know run hide fight is being drilled at the middle school and above grade level. I don't know what the training is for grade 6 and under. Like you said, they aren't going to expect a 5 year old to fight off a shooter. I wouldn't be surprised if the teacher was trained in run hide fight, though. Hopefully the training is get those kids the **** out of there as soon as humanly possible.

my wife taught in our town. and nope - the teacher is supposed to keep them calm in the closet as they wait to see if they'll be executed. don't even think about that window and that 6 foot drop. stay inside at all costs. because accomplices.

local PD were involved in the planning. very impressive.

[tifosi77]

The best way to barricade a door would be to stack up furniture against the door in line, so that it stretches across to and braces against the opposite wall. That way the barrier is actually the strength of that opposite wall, not the weight of the furniture. But that's pretty time consuming and not really practical, especially in an elementary school setting where the adult teacher is realistically the only one stacking the desks.

[nocera]

In my kids elementary school they teach them where to hide in the classroom so they aren't all standing in front of the door where the shooter has a clear view. They teach them to get out of the site lines and duck and hide. That is the best you can do with young children. They aren't going to jump out windows and bum rush anyone.

That's true. I should clarify that I know run hide fight is being drilled at the middle school and above grade level. I don't know what the training is for grade 6 and under. Like you said, they aren't going to expect a 5 year old to fight off a shooter. I wouldn't be surprised if the teacher was trained in run hide fight, though. Hopefully the training is get those kids the **** out of there as soon as humanly possible.

my wife taught in our town. and nope - the teacher is supposed to keep them calm in the closet as they wait to see if they'll be executed. don't even think about that window and that 6 foot drop. stay inside at all costs. because accomplices.

local PD were involved in the planning. very impressive.

How long ago was that? That was the popular thought even as recently as 10 years ago, but in most districts that's no longer the case.

[shmenguin]

Lockdown drills should end yesterday.

They aren’t teaching kids to immediately jump out of classroom windows. They aren’t teaching them about moving all the furniture in the room up against the door. They aren’t teaching them that the only chance of survival after a shooter has entered the room is for one or more students to sacrifice themselves by bum rushing them.

There’s no point. Causes more suffering than it prevents.

When I was a teacher our training was pretty good considering the situation we were preparing for. We had a class taught by law enforcement about how active shooters operate. We learned that police will enter the building immediately and our goal was to not present targets of opportunity to a gunman.

As for actions in the classroom. We had giant sticky notes that we put over the door so no one could see in. We had a key that would lock the door from the inside. We were directed to put objects in front of the door. Lastly we were taught to hide out of sight. Typically that meant the entire class to a be side of the room so there was no angle to see people in the room. Lastly, and only as a last resort, if an active shooter somehow got in the room we had to fight as the shooter was most likely to shoot you regardless so the best chance of survival was to attack with any objects you had.

IMO it’s disingenuous to say they shouldn’t have these drills.

disingenuous? i don't think that's what you mean. underinformed? looks like it.

what i learned here is that PA is many notches ahead of NJ in this area, which is good.

[count2infinity]

Wait, why did I care about DeSantis?

Thank god Freddy can celebrate this one, unless there's a following twitter post that effectively pumps the brakes that we haven't seen yet?

Maybe your revenge porn lady has found some info now?

What are you even talking about? The lady that was raided for the hacking of health data? What does that have to do with revenge porn?

Morkle... I know you're new to this since you've switched teams, but the way this works is if you show any amount of support at all for anyone in the political world, you are personally responsible for anything and everything they've ever, ever done in their life regardless of what has happened since. Additionally if you've ever said anything bad about anyone on the other team, and that person shows success in any way, shape, or form... well, be prepared for this:

[MWB]

I think it was about 3-4 years ago that we had a switch in philosophy to the run hide fight.

[Morkle]

I guess so. In that case, how’s that murder investigation of that woman who gave her husband HCQ?

Can I celebrate?

[AuthorTony]

There are several products made to quickly and securely "lock" doors in classrooms. I know every school is constructed differently, but I think solutions like those should be the first step, far above telling kids to fight back.

[MWB]

We just keep our doors locked all the time. No special product needed.

[tifosi77]

The accomplices angle is dictating 100% of response planning to account for less than 20% of incidents. School shooters overwhelmingly act alone.

Choice 1: Stay where you know for certain there is a maniac shooting the place up

Choice 2: Extricate your students and yourself to somewhere where there is less than a 1-in-5 chance that there will also be some other maniac laying in wait to shoot up the place, but that will allow for all to disperse in every direction instead of being clustered in a pile in one spot.

[nocera]

There are several products made to quickly and securely "lock" doors in classrooms. I know every school is constructed differently, but I think solutions like those should be the first step, far above telling kids to fight back.

Just to be clear, fighting back is the absolute last resort in those trainings. It's get out. If you can't get out, barricade. If you can't barricade or your barricade fails and the shooter is in your hiding location, fight back with whatever make-shift weapon you can get your hands on. The fighting part comes after everything else has failed.

[NAN]

Lockdown drills should end yesterday.

They aren’t teaching kids to immediately jump out of classroom windows. They aren’t teaching them about moving all the furniture in the room up against the door. They aren’t teaching them that the only chance of survival after a shooter has entered the room is for one or more students to sacrifice themselves by bum rushing them.

There’s no point. Causes more suffering than it prevents.

When I was a teacher our training was pretty good considering the situation we were preparing for. We had a class taught by law enforcement about how active shooters operate. We learned that police will enter the building immediately and our goal was to not present targets of opportunity to a gunman.

As for actions in the classroom. We had giant sticky notes that we put over the door so no one could see in. We had a key that would lock the door from the inside. We were directed to put objects in front of the door. Lastly we were taught to hide out of sight. Typically that meant the entire class to a be side of the room so there was no angle to see people in the room. Lastly, and only as a last resort, if an active shooter somehow got in the room we had to fight as the shooter was most likely to shoot you regardless so the best chance of survival was to attack with any objects you had.

IMO it’s disingenuous to say they shouldn’t have these drills.

[MWB]

The issue with the "run" aspect is if you don't actually know where the shooter is. Yes, if you know there's a shooter inside, then it's best to get outside through the window. But if the only info you have is that there is an active shooter on campus, you don't want to just make a run for it blindly.

[Freddy Rumsen]

Wait, why did I care about DeSantis?

Thank god Freddy can celebrate this one, unless there's a following twitter post that effectively pumps the brakes that we haven't seen yet?

Maybe your revenge porn lady has found some info now?

What are you even talking about? The lady that was raided for the hacking of health data? What does that have to do with revenge porn?

Morkle... I know you're new to this since you've switched teams, but the way this works is if you show any amount of support at all for anyone in the political world, you are personally responsible for anything and everything they've ever, ever done in their life regardless of what has happened since. Additionally if you've ever said anything bad about anyone on the other team, and that person shows success in any way, shape, or form... well, be prepared for this:

Man...talk about swing and miss in a lame attempt at whatever the word salad you wrote was about.

Morkle was on the "DeSantis is faking numbers" train for a good while. We had a talk about this in December.

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=19&p=866915&hilit=D ... rs#p866915

[shmenguin]

Starting to make the rounds everywhere. Pretty good freak-out.

she stopped short, hedging with the "i'll still fight for your right to..." line. you give religion more oxygen than it deserves by putting it under a protective umbrella.

[Freddy Rumsen]

I guess so. In that case, how’s that murder investigation of that woman who gave her husband HCQ?

Can I celebrate?

It was finished back in May. There never was one. #FakeNews
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politi ... e-n1195591

This really weird thing about "victory" and celebrations is an odd thing, as an FYI.

[NAN]

The accomplices angle is dictating 100% of response planning to account for less than 20% of incidents. School shooters overwhelmingly act alone.

Choice 1: Stay where you know for certain there is a maniac shooting the place up

Choice 2: Extricate your students and yourself to somewhere where there is less than a 1-in-5 chance that there will also be some other maniac laying in wait to shoot up the place, but that will allow for all to disperse in every direction instead of being clustered in a pile in one spot.

I think #2 works better for older students. It also assumes all windows are on the first floor and you can actually fit people out of the windows (almost every school window I've seen has small openings).

When you are dealing with 5-10 year olds that are absolutely terrified, good luck leading out safely and effectively. And like I said, some of these windows are 20-30 foot drops. So the best option is for them to hide out of site of the classroom door IMO. Have the teacher barracade the door. Most of these shooters are looking for easy targets which is why they usually go to a crowded cafeteria or something.

[Freddy Rumsen]

"I mean 'armed,' when you hear 'armed,' don’t you think of firearms? Here’s the questions I would have liked to ask. How many firearms were confiscated? How many shots were fired? I’m only aware of one and I’ll defend that law enforcement officer for taking that shot. It was a tragedy, OK? But I think there was only one."

What a piece of work this hillbilly goat **** is.

What a moronic use of math.

And yes I agree that Shannon Watts is a hillbilly goat.

[tifosi77]

I guess so. In that case, how’s that murder investigation of that woman who gave her husband HCQ?

Can I celebrate?

Back at the end of April, it was reported that this had shifted to a murder investigation because homicide detectives were investigating. The next day, the Mesa PD came out and said, no this is not a murder investigation, it is standard protocol to investigate all deaths that are not classified as natural causes, and those investigations are carried out by homicide detectives. The latest dateline for any story on this couple that I can find is May 1.

Edit: I see Freddy's post now

[NAN]

Wait, why did I care about DeSantis?

Thank god Freddy can celebrate this one, unless there's a following twitter post that effectively pumps the brakes that we haven't seen yet?

Maybe your revenge porn lady has found some info now?

What are you even talking about? The lady that was raided for the hacking of health data? What does that have to do with revenge porn?

Morkle... I know you're new to this since you've switched teams, but the way this works is if you show any amount of support at all for anyone in the political world, you are personally responsible for anything and everything they've ever, ever done in their life regardless of what has happened since. Additionally if you've ever said anything bad about anyone on the other team, and that person shows success in any way, shape, or form... well, be prepared for this:

Morkle, that's why I'm a racist homophobe that grabs women by the ***** to teach them a lesson.

[Morkle]

@NAN - I just thought you were all of those things because you remind us daily about it.