Disagree. It's strawman to think people are arguing that the government should be administering the vaccinations. I think the camps are whether you think the vaccine distribution should be a centrally planned / monitored program, and those that feel compelled, either through anti-anti Trump brain reflexes or the permanent anti-government bend to argue that it shouldn't.This whole vaccine distribution thing really boils down to folks that are for big gubament and those against it.
Who cares how it gets done. Just get it done
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This x10. I'm so sick of hearing 'oh the gov't can't help'. STFU.I would like it to just get done. If someone comes in and says no plan - we can be faster. Then prove it, do it, and maybe that's 9mm closer to me being vaccinated faster.This whole vaccine distribution thing really boils down to folks that are for big gubament and those against it.
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I'm not even sure what's being argued here.
"The 'no plan' is working, but the government shouldn't be doing the planning, anyway so lol".
"The 'no plan' is working, but the government shouldn't be doing the planning, anyway so lol".
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So, can you provide an example of where government involvement in the process of distribution made things less disorganized or sped up the process?Oh, FreddySource of the post Well, at first there was "no chance" there would even be a vaccine at this point.
Second, where in all of human history has government involvement made things go quicker?
Because we all know the answer is, "well the right people weren't doing the involving."
We'd been a lot better off if Government had gotten out of the way with its tiers and lists and just let the experts at distributing vaccines and meds take care of it. The Feds can toss money to defray costs, but that is pretty much where their meddling should end.
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Yeah I don’t know what is being argued either
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It’s not a static thing. Hasn’t it steadily increased since rollout? I’d expect it to continue to increase to a point, then plateau. Or is 900k per day the plateau?No there isn't. The initial rollout ramp up is an outlier. If they're capable of 912k per day today, why would they suddenly drop back toward the overall mean from the start of rollout?There’s also an issue with only taking the highest administration rate of the last week rather than the full rate since rollout.
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They didn't have a plan cause of course they didn't, things are bad in certain places, government should step in...
vs.
They had a plan don't be ridiculous, things are good in certain places, government stay away...
I think???
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They had a plan don't be ridiculous, things are good in certain places, government stay away...
I think???
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Oh. It’s obviously bothThey didn't have a plan cause of course they didn't, things are bad in certain places, government should step in...
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They had a plan don't be ridiculous, things are good in certain places, government stay away...
I think???
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Pretty straight-forward.I'm not even sure what's being argued here.
"The 'no plan' is working, but the government shouldn't be doing the planning, anyway so lol".
1) Biden officially anonymously quoted as saying, "There was no plan."
2) Pushback on "no plan" by pointing out the existence of a plan.
3) We'd be doing even better if we followed the example of WV, and not PA, and let the locals take care of distribution rather than government contracts.
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I cannot provide an example of where government involvement in supply chain/distro issues made things better.
But we are currently living through an ongoing event where the absence of it appears to have contributed to unnecessary avoidable problem. And that goes far beyond the vaccine rollout.
But we are currently living through an ongoing event where the absence of it appears to have contributed to unnecessary avoidable problem. And that goes far beyond the vaccine rollout.
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Well, doesn't that then make sense, that if the rollout is more effective in WV than NY, to have some means of working with NY to adapt the methods the WV is using? Just seems like basic project management principles.Pretty straight-forward.I'm not even sure what's being argued here.
"The 'no plan' is working, but the government shouldn't be doing the planning, anyway so lol".
1) Biden officially anonymously quoted as saying, "There was no plan."
2) Pushback on "no plan" by pointing out the existence of a plan.
3) We'd be doing even better if we followed the example of WV, and not PA, and let the locals take care of distribution rather than government contracts.
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I guess my question is, what are we trying to solve for? Is there a particular issue beyond working out the kinks of a complex process that is 5 weeks old?
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So is it,
1. The gov sucks at planning let them stay out
2. Let the state... government? Handle it
3. ????
4. The Fed is bad
1. The gov sucks at planning let them stay out
2. Let the state... government? Handle it
3. ????
4. The Fed is bad
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It's mystifying how far people will stick their head up their own ass in an attempt to make someone else look stupid...
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did I miss this one being posted here?
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That's new to me haha
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This wasn't about distribution. Your first point was about the extraordinary odds that a vaccine even exists. Then your second point was government never helps with anything, completely ignoring their involvement to your first point. In other words, your first two points cancelled each other out.So, can you provide an example of where government involvement in the process of distribution made things less disorganized or sped up the process?Oh, FreddySource of the post Well, at first there was "no chance" there would even be a vaccine at this point.
Second, where in all of human history has government involvement made things go quicker?
Because we all know the answer is, "well the right people weren't doing the involving."
We'd been a lot better off if Government had gotten out of the way with its tiers and lists and just let the experts at distributing vaccines and meds take care of it. The Feds can toss money to defray costs, but that is pretty much where their meddling should end.
Listen, I'm anti-big government too. They tend to add more complexity, cost, red tape to anything they touch and overreach into sectors of private business. But I also understand that government has a role in society, even when it comes to things we may otherwise think the private sector can handle on its own. This rollout of the vaccine is one of those instances. Too many cooks in the kitchen regarding the rollout of the vaccine, and we need a centralized "leader" or "manager" if you will, to see us through it. Can you name anybody else other than the US gov't to get it done?
Unless Jeff Bezos wants to take on the role of uber distributor, it can't be done otherwise. And that's just the shipping of the product, let alone the hundreds of other minutiae involved in the process.
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