Politics And Current Events

[Troy Loney]

Maybe we'll finally get that recording of him saying the N word that Troy's been promising for 5 years

Wut?

[AuthorTony]

This goes back to other things.

There is no doubt Trump could have said it. He's said worse.

I'm just pointing out when people say, "Wouldn't surprise me if it's true" in regards to Trump bashing vets, it's because Trump has bashed vets. He's earned our skepticism.

That's my only point. I'm not sticking up for modern journalism. It's trash. I'll never argue otherwise. And the internet had made it a thousand times worse.

[Morkle]

Ok I’m back - I’m looking on line for Democrats wanting to leave NATO but I can’t find anything outside of the Trump comments from 2018. Any sources that I can legit read?

Wikipedia only had :

Wrong idea, you gotta wrap this in like 50’s era pro-communist labor leaders, then fast forward to modern critics of the neoliberal, post world war era. In that, you get the shards of the left that would **** on nato. But, the modern Democratic Party is the mascot for neoliberalism and the staunchest supporters of those international insitutions.

The Green Party doesn't count as the anti-war Left evidently.

https://www.gp.org/greens_say_no_to_nato

Did I say Democrats anywhere?

I don’t understand how this is a response to my post.

Because neither of you actually read what I posted.

Sorry man, I just assume when you said left, it was a party that could actually change something and not the Green party. My bad.

[Morkle]

Ok I’m back - I’m looking on line for Democrats wanting to leave NATO but I can’t find anything outside of the Trump comments from 2018. Any sources that I can legit read?

Wikipedia only had :

Wrong idea, you gotta wrap this in like 50’s era pro-communist labor leaders, then fast forward to modern critics of the neoliberal, post world war era. In that, you get the shards of the left that would **** on nato. But, the modern Democratic Party is the mascot for neoliberalism and the staunchest supporters of those international insitutions.

The Green Party doesn't count as the anti-war Left evidently.

https://www.gp.org/greens_say_no_to_nato

Did I say Democrats anywhere?

I don’t understand how this is a response to my post.

Because neither of you actually read what I posted.

Sorry man, I just assume when you said left, it was a party that could actually change something and not the Green party. My bad.

[Troy Loney]

Would it really surprise anyone that the hit pieces are going to start coming out in the media between now and November? I know speaking about media bias is considered right-wing conspiracy stuff in here, but the media IS liberal and they mostly loathe Trump. They will be pulling out all the stops between now and November.

And I say this recognizing that Trump has plenty of qualities that make him distasteful and even loathe-worthy. But that Atlantic piece of "journalism" is trash.

Yawn to the liberal media comment. But the hit pieces are coming out because former staffers are talking. John kelly and don McGahn are giving all kinds of **** up to reporters (see the Michael Schmidt book). Plus you have that miles twerp and that other former dhs official making the cable news rounds talking about how terrible Trump is.

You can probably assume they are timing some of this stuff for impact, but it’s also risky for these folks to come out publicly. They are definitely going to be blacklisted from the gop for years and I don’t don’t think you can make a living doing msnbc guest spots for a month.

[NailedPenguin]

So why is me asking if people think Trump might have said those things anathema?

It's not really that YOU ask, but weve been hearing "well yeah it could be true" as justification that it is, for so much bullshit from the media this entire term.

And heres where it'll get turned around on some of us for even questioning it. Pretty soon it'll be "why do you care so much? Why are you dying in this hill?"

Meanwhile, we'll have actual video evidence of things get immediately dismissed because the person posted it did a guest spot on Fox one time or something like that

[MWB]

Would it really surprise anyone that the hit pieces are going to start coming out in the media between now and November? I know speaking about media bias is considered right-wing conspiracy stuff in here, but the media IS liberal and they mostly loathe Trump. They will be pulling out all the stops between now and November.

And I say this recognizing that Trump has plenty of qualities that make him distasteful and even loathe-worthy. But that Atlantic piece of "journalism" is trash.

Loathe Trump, or are just reporting facts about trump? It becomes a fine line when you have such an abhorrent person you have to report on.

[Freddy Rumsen]

Wrong idea, you gotta wrap this in like 50’s era pro-communist labor leaders, then fast forward to modern critics of the neoliberal, post world war era. In that, you get the shards of the left that would **** on nato. But, the modern Democratic Party is the mascot for neoliberalism and the staunchest supporters of those international insitutions.

The Green Party doesn't count as the anti-war Left evidently.

https://www.gp.org/greens_say_no_to_nato

Did I say Democrats anywhere?

I don’t understand how this is a response to my post.

Because neither of you actually read what I posted.

Sorry man, I just assume when you said left, it was a party that could actually change something and not the Green party. My bad.

Well, when someone says "Anti-War Left" and they don't reference a particular party, and then you play the Google game lulzing it up don't act all amazed that there are people out there that meet the OP.

People here like to act like the Klan is an actual threat to something. What has more adherents the KKK or the Green Party?

[Freddy Rumsen]

Would it really surprise anyone that the hit pieces are going to start coming out in the media between now and November? I know speaking about media bias is considered right-wing conspiracy stuff in here, but the media IS liberal and they mostly loathe Trump. They will be pulling out all the stops between now and November.

And I say this recognizing that Trump has plenty of qualities that make him distasteful and even loathe-worthy. But that Atlantic piece of "journalism" is trash.

Yawn to the liberal media comment. But the hit pieces are coming out because former staffers are talking. John kelly and don McGahn are giving all kinds of **** up to reporters (see the Michael Schmidt book). Plus you have that miles twerp and that other former dhs official making the cable news rounds talking about how terrible Trump is.

You can probably assume they are timing some of this stuff for impact, but it’s also risky for these folks to come out publicly. They are definitely going to be blacklisted from the gop for years and I don’t don’t think you can make a living doing msnbc guest spots for a month.

If they are talking why won't they go on the record?

Their ghostwritten book not done yet?

[Freddy Rumsen]

Would it really surprise anyone that the hit pieces are going to start coming out in the media between now and November? I know speaking about media bias is considered right-wing conspiracy stuff in here, but the media IS liberal and they mostly loathe Trump. They will be pulling out all the stops between now and November.

And I say this recognizing that Trump has plenty of qualities that make him distasteful and even loathe-worthy. But that Atlantic piece of "journalism" is trash.

Loathe Trump, or are just reporting facts about trump? It becomes a fine line when you have such an abhorrent person you have to report on.

"It's okay to make up stuff and lie about bad people."

-- Ethics

[Morkle]

The Green Party doesn't count as the anti-war Left evidently.

https://www.gp.org/greens_say_no_to_nato

Did I say Democrats anywhere?

I don’t understand how this is a response to my post.

Because neither of you actually read what I posted.

Sorry man, I just assume when you said left, it was a party that could actually change something and not the Green party. My bad.

Well, when someone says "Anti-War Left" and they don't reference a particular party, and then you play the Google game lulzing it up don't act all amazed that there are people out there that meet the OP.

People here like to act like the Klan is an actual threat to something. What has more adherents the KKK or the Green Party?

So I was legit asking a question. I was actually hoping to learn something and even asked it that way if there were sources. If you're gonna be a dick about it, how about taking another self-imposed break?

[Troy Loney]

Would it really surprise anyone that the hit pieces are going to start coming out in the media between now and November? I know speaking about media bias is considered right-wing conspiracy stuff in here, but the media IS liberal and they mostly loathe Trump. They will be pulling out all the stops between now and November.

And I say this recognizing that Trump has plenty of qualities that make him distasteful and even loathe-worthy. But that Atlantic piece of "journalism" is trash.

Yawn to the liberal media comment. But the hit pieces are coming out because former staffers are talking. John kelly and don McGahn are giving all kinds of **** up to reporters (see the Michael Schmidt book). Plus you have that miles twerp and that other former dhs official making the cable news rounds talking about how terrible Trump is.

You can probably assume they are timing some of this stuff for impact, but it’s also risky for these folks to come out publicly. They are definitely going to be blacklisted from the gop for years and I don’t don’t think you can make a living doing msnbc guest spots for a month.

If they are talking why won't they go on the record?

Their ghostwritten book not done yet?

Who is they? I just named people that went “on record”.

[NailedPenguin]

Our media doesn't take sides, and people are scared and hesitant to come out and speak poorly of Trump. That's the lines we're expected to swallow now?

[tifosi77]

Would it really surprise anyone that the hit pieces are going to start coming out in the media between now and November? I know speaking about media bias is considered right-wing conspiracy stuff in here, but the media IS liberal and they mostly loathe Trump. They will be pulling out all the stops between now and November.

And I say this recognizing that Trump has plenty of qualities that make him distasteful and even loathe-worthy. But that Atlantic piece of "journalism" is trash.

Loathe Trump, or are just reporting facts about trump? It becomes a fine line when you have such an abhorrent person you have to report on.

"It's okay to make up stuff and lie about bad people."

-- Ethics

Since we're challenging the veracity of the sourcing because of its anonymity, what evidence do you have that it's fabricated?

[Freddy Rumsen]

Would it really surprise anyone that the hit pieces are going to start coming out in the media between now and November? I know speaking about media bias is considered right-wing conspiracy stuff in here, but the media IS liberal and they mostly loathe Trump. They will be pulling out all the stops between now and November.

And I say this recognizing that Trump has plenty of qualities that make him distasteful and even loathe-worthy. But that Atlantic piece of "journalism" is trash.

Yawn to the liberal media comment. But the hit pieces are coming out because former staffers are talking. John kelly and don McGahn are giving all kinds of **** up to reporters (see the Michael Schmidt book). Plus you have that miles twerp and that other former dhs official making the cable news rounds talking about how terrible Trump is.

You can probably assume they are timing some of this stuff for impact, but it’s also risky for these folks to come out publicly. They are definitely going to be blacklisted from the gop for years and I don’t don’t think you can make a living doing msnbc guest spots for a month.

If they are talking why won't they go on the record?

Their ghostwritten book not done yet?

Who is they? I just named people that went “on record”.

The four unnamed sources who are the subject to the thing we're taking about.

[MWB]

Would it really surprise anyone that the hit pieces are going to start coming out in the media between now and November? I know speaking about media bias is considered right-wing conspiracy stuff in here, but the media IS liberal and they mostly loathe Trump. They will be pulling out all the stops between now and November.

And I say this recognizing that Trump has plenty of qualities that make him distasteful and even loathe-worthy. But that Atlantic piece of "journalism" is trash.

Loathe Trump, or are just reporting facts about trump? It becomes a fine line when you have such an abhorrent person you have to report on.

"It's okay to make up stuff and lie about bad people."

-- Ethics

Facts and making up are two different things. Making up = bad. Facts = doing your job as a reporter. But we’re in a world now where reporting facts is seen as being loathing to the president.

And this is a general observation, not related to the specifics states above.

[Troy Loney]

Our media doesn't take sides, and people are scared and hesitant to come out and speak poorly of Trump. That's the lines we're expected to swallow now?

Are you being dense? For political appointees from the administration, there are personal consequences to publicly speaking out. And this is not because Trump is going to send them to the gulag, it’s that they are going to have to find jobs in the future.

[Troy Loney]

Would it really surprise anyone that the hit pieces are going to start coming out in the media between now and November? I know speaking about media bias is considered right-wing conspiracy stuff in here, but the media IS liberal and they mostly loathe Trump. They will be pulling out all the stops between now and November.

And I say this recognizing that Trump has plenty of qualities that make him distasteful and even loathe-worthy. But that Atlantic piece of "journalism" is trash.

Yawn to the liberal media comment. But the hit pieces are coming out because former staffers are talking. John kelly and don McGahn are giving all kinds of **** up to reporters (see the Michael Schmidt book). Plus you have that miles twerp and that other former dhs official making the cable news rounds talking about how terrible Trump is.

You can probably assume they are timing some of this stuff for impact, but it’s also risky for these folks to come out publicly. They are definitely going to be blacklisted from the gop for years and I don’t don’t think you can make a living doing msnbc guest spots for a month.

If they are talking why won't they go on the record?

Their ghostwritten book not done yet?

Who is they? I just named people that went “on record”.

The four unnamed sources who are the subject to the thing we're taking about.

Aren’t they from the military? A famously non partisan institution?

[faftorial]

That guy I don't support.

[Freddy Rumsen]

Would it really surprise anyone that the hit pieces are going to start coming out in the media between now and November? I know speaking about media bias is considered right-wing conspiracy stuff in here, but the media IS liberal and they mostly loathe Trump. They will be pulling out all the stops between now and November.

And I say this recognizing that Trump has plenty of qualities that make him distasteful and even loathe-worthy. But that Atlantic piece of "journalism" is trash.

Loathe Trump, or are just reporting facts about trump? It becomes a fine line when you have such an abhorrent person you have to report on.

"It's okay to make up stuff and lie about bad people."

-- Ethics

Since we're challenging the veracity of the sourcing because of its anonymity, what evidence do you have that it's fabricated?

Why would I have to prove that?

That's bizarre.

A) "My friend told me he saw Sasquatch"

B) "Whose your friend?"

A) "I'm not telling you"

B) "Well, I don't believe your friend"

A) "What proof do you have that Sasquatch doesn't exist?"

B) .....

[MWB]

No need to take all historical evidence into account...

[Freddy Rumsen]

Would it really surprise anyone that the hit pieces are going to start coming out in the media between now and November? I know speaking about media bias is considered right-wing conspiracy stuff in here, but the media IS liberal and they mostly loathe Trump. They will be pulling out all the stops between now and November.

And I say this recognizing that Trump has plenty of qualities that make him distasteful and even loathe-worthy. But that Atlantic piece of "journalism" is trash.

Loathe Trump, or are just reporting facts about trump? It becomes a fine line when you have such an abhorrent person you have to report on.

"It's okay to make up stuff and lie about bad people."

-- Ethics

Facts and making up are two different things. Making up = bad. Facts = doing your job as a reporter. But we’re in a world now where reporting facts is seen as being loathing to the president.

And this is a general observation, not related to the specifics states above.

That's not how journalism works.

You can't just run stories based on uncorroborated hearsay with no on the record quotes.

No journalism school on the planet would let an undergrad get away with that in a school paper.

[MWB]

Instead, just post tweets.

As I said above... I’m speaking in general terms and not about whatever article is being argued about.

[Freddy Rumsen]

Instead, just post tweets.

As I said above... I’m speaking in general terms and not about whatever article is being argued about.

Didn't know I worked for a national magazine.

Trump is a moronic idiot that doesn't deserve to run a lemonade stand and I hope he loses in November.

Flushing basic standards down the toilet in order to "stop him" is dumb.

[MWB]

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