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Postby Shyster » Sun Jun 16, 2019 2:56 am

The First Amendment is not overridden just because an election is involved. That's a main takeaway from the Citizen's United case. And foreign nationals in the United States are also covered by the the First Amendment.

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Postby CBear3 » Sun Jun 16, 2019 8:01 am

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Sure.... go ahead and tell Russia we hacked them... **** ing morons.
The original NYT story says they informed the White House and NSC of the content of the story prior to publication, and they declined comment, with the exception of the NSC saying there was no security risk in publishing the information.

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Postby CBear3 » Sun Jun 16, 2019 8:05 am

So do we have an intersection of the First and Fifth here, Shyster?
I can receive the info according to the first, but since the FEC declares that as a campaign violation can I also refuse to inform the FBI because it would incriminate myself?

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Postby Troy Loney » Sun Jun 16, 2019 8:36 am

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https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/06/15/politi ... cnn.com%2F


Sure.... go ahead and tell Russia we hacked them... **** ing morons.
The original NYT story says they informed the White House and NSC of the content of the story prior to publication, and they declined comment, with the exception of the NSC saying there was no security risk in publishing the information.
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It’s also amusing that one would have that takeaway from the story. And not that they have to withhold info from trump because they fear he would leak stuff to putin

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Postby grunthy » Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:04 am

It’s not a good idea to broadcast that information.

Every story has the disclaimer they are worried about trump doing something stupid. So it’s really just a given.

Also, learn how to **** ing quote people.

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Postby grunthy » Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:13 am

Also, I trust the NYT to publish an unbiased, truthful story about as much as I trust Trump. Which is not at all.

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Postby Trip McNeely » Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:25 am

Also, I trust the NYT to publish an unbiased, truthful story about as much as I trust Trump. Which is not at all.
Curious to know where you get your news

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Postby grunthy » Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:36 am

Also, I trust the NYT to publish an unbiased, truthful story about as much as I trust Trump. Which is not at all.
Curious to know where you get your news
BBC, CNN and others. Form my own opinion since most news stations slant one way or the other. The truth is usually buried somewhere in the garbage they put out.

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Postby dodint » Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:22 am

So do we have an intersection of the First and Fifth here, Shyster?
I can receive the info according to the first, but since the FEC declares that as a campaign violation can I also refuse to inform the FBI because it would incriminate myself?
The 5th only applies in a setting of which you were charged with a crime. You could not use it to nullify a duty to inform in another setting. The FBI is not a tribunal so I can not think of a circumstance where anyone could invoke the 5th against them in an investigation. The Miranda right to remain silent may be more applicable, but that requires custody.

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Postby Kaiser » Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:40 pm

Our best bud, the misunderstood humanitarian of the middle East, Bin Salman, says Iran did it.

Well I'm convinced.

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Postby AuthorTony » Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:57 pm

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/16/economy/ ... index.html
New Balance boasts that it's the only major company to make more than four million pairs of athletic shoes a year domestically. It has five New England factories, with one more expected to open next year. The catch? It needs to import component parts from China that are no longer made in the United States.
"The proposed Tranche 4 tariffs will risk our company's overall financial health, which will in turn limit our ability to maintain and reinvest in our American factories," said a letter submitted by New Balance to the US Trade Representative's Office ahead of a hearing next week.
It's just one example of how many American corporations have built supply chains that span the globe, and why Trump's protectionist trade policies won't work to bring manufacturing back to the United States. It's just too hard to ding China without hurting American companies, workers and consumers along the way.

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Postby tifosi77 » Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:58 pm

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/06/15/politi ... cnn.com%2F


Sure.... go ahead and tell Russia we hacked them... **** ing morons.
You don't think they know this is happening?
I don't think this reporting - nor the attendant leaking of information - was for the edification of Russians.

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Postby tifosi77 » Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:03 pm

The 5th only applies in a setting of which you were charged with a crime.
Is that right? The whole 'plead the 5th' thing requires charging? It doesn't apply where criminal charges may arise after the fact based on your statements?

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Postby dodint » Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:15 pm

The 5th only applies in a setting of which you were charged with a crime.
Is that right? The whole 'plead the 5th' thing require charging? It doesn't apply where criminal charges may arise after the fact based on your statements?
No. I was going to write a paper about this topic but it was pointed out to me by a professor that the 5th doesn't apply to the investigative stage. My paper was about being forced to compel passwords to police but it is really a 4th amendment issue, not a 5th. That text of the 5th does indicate it only applies when criminally charged.
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime . . . shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law . . .
It's obviously more nuanced than that, but I am on a phone at the moment.

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Postby Troy Loney » Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:28 pm

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Sure.... go ahead and tell Russia we hacked them... **** ing morons.
You don't think they know this is happening?
I don't think this reporting - nor the attendant leaking of information - was for the edification of Russians.
I think trump is the only pro Russian member of the trump administration

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Postby Troy Loney » Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:35 pm

Our best bud, the misunderstood humanitarian of the middle East, Bin Salman, says Iran did it.

Well I'm convinced.
Israel also saying its the iran national guard.

This is insane, is the Jared Middle East peace plan to just attack Iran?

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Postby tifosi77 » Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:48 pm

I think this goes to show how geopolitically isolated Trump has made the US. Even if you buy the evidence, no one wants to play our reindeer games outside regional DJT allies like MBS and Bibi.

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Postby grunthy » Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:58 pm

Even that weasel adam schiff believes it was Iran. So I think we can start thinking it’s more than likely Iran that did this attack.

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Postby Kaiser » Sun Jun 16, 2019 2:16 pm

If you want to, go for it.

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Postby grunthy » Sun Jun 16, 2019 2:20 pm

If you want to, go for it.
I don’t want to go to war with Iran. Them attacking oil tankers wouldn’t push me to want to bomb them.

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Postby Kaiser » Sun Jun 16, 2019 3:50 pm

I just mean believing Bolton and the Saudis, I know you're better than wanting war.

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Postby Factorial » Sun Jun 16, 2019 5:43 pm

Trump won't like this new Fox poll released this morning:

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Postby tifosi77 » Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:44 pm

Re the oil tanker thing

It is not so much a matter of "was it Iran or someone else". It is a matter of if this escalates into conflict, there will not be the slightest whiff of international legitimacy in the action. Trump, Bibi, MBS..... there's a coalition for ya.

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Postby Kaiser » Mon Jun 17, 2019 12:45 am

More slapstick presidential action:

Info about internal WH polls showing Trump behind Biden and others

Trump says he's actually leading in every state polled

The poll itself comes out, and he is behind

Trump fires the pollers for exposing his lie to america

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Postby CBear3 » Mon Jun 17, 2019 9:19 am

Trump won't like this new Fox poll released this morning:
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What I find interesting about that is his percentage of the vote never changes. We've talked about it before, how he has a very defined ceiling and floor. I can't see a situation where he gets more votes in 2020, save turning the Democratic candidate into AOC levels of red. The problem is, he's really good at changing the narrative around a person.

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