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Postby eddy » Thu May 16, 2019 9:11 am

Shortly after President Donald Trump announced plans to yank U.S. troops out of Syria last December, a group of lawmakers came to the White House to talk him out of the idea, which critics called a threat to national security.

Trump responded by calling in the man who oversees his Twitter account.


“Get Dan Scavino in here,” Trump called out in the middle of the meeting earlier this year. In walked a man in his early forties with close-cropped brown hair.

“Tell them how popular my policy is,” Trump instructed Scavino, who, according to two people with knowledge of the exchange, proceeded to walk lawmakers through the positive reaction he had picked up on social media about Trump’s Syria decision.

The sudden pivot from geostrategy to retweets and likes surprised the lawmakers. It was a remarkable moment given that not long ago Scavino was managing Trump’s golf club. But for Scavino himself, it was just another day on the job.
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/ ... no-1327921

Terrifying.

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Postby Freddy Rumsen » Thu May 16, 2019 10:11 am

A 74-year-old man who was pushed off a Las Vegas bus—allegedly by a woman he had told to "be nicer"—has died from injuries he suffered when he hit the sidewalk.

The 25-year-old suspect has been charged with his murder.
https://abcn.ws/2HrBfsq

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Postby AuthorTony » Thu May 16, 2019 10:27 am

A 74-year-old man who was pushed off a Las Vegas bus—allegedly by a woman he had told to "be nicer"—has died from injuries he suffered when he hit the sidewalk.

The 25-year-old suspect has been charged with his murder.
https://abcn.ws/2HrBfsq
People are disgusting.

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Postby slappybrown » Thu May 16, 2019 10:29 am

Shortly after President Donald Trump announced plans to yank U.S. troops out of Syria last December, a group of lawmakers came to the White House to talk him out of the idea, which critics called a threat to national security.

Trump responded by calling in the man who oversees his Twitter account.


“Get Dan Scavino in here,” Trump called out in the middle of the meeting earlier this year. In walked a man in his early forties with close-cropped brown hair.

“Tell them how popular my policy is,” Trump instructed Scavino, who, according to two people with knowledge of the exchange, proceeded to walk lawmakers through the positive reaction he had picked up on social media about Trump’s Syria decision.

The sudden pivot from geostrategy to retweets and likes surprised the lawmakers. It was a remarkable moment given that not long ago Scavino was managing Trump’s golf club. But for Scavino himself, it was just another day on the job.
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/ ... no-1327921

Terrifying.
leaving syria is actually good and trump was right

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Postby MR25 » Thu May 16, 2019 11:04 am

I don't think that's the issue here

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Postby mikey » Thu May 16, 2019 11:07 am

But if the result is good, we'll take it...right?

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Postby slappybrown » Thu May 16, 2019 11:07 am

Sometimes you draw a 5 on 16 with a dealer showing their own 6, you dont give the casino back their money because its against the odds and your process was flawed

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Postby Troy Loney » Thu May 16, 2019 11:10 am

Didn't he back track on that anyways?

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Postby slappybrown » Thu May 16, 2019 11:15 am

I thought he did too but from what I can tell (49 seconds of googling) its largely still happening.

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Postby Troy Loney » Thu May 16, 2019 11:18 am

I thought he did too but from what I can tell (49 seconds of googling) its largely still happening.
They've got to move them all to Iran.

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Postby NailedPenguin » Thu May 16, 2019 11:25 am

Just f***ing astounding.
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Postby Morkle » Thu May 16, 2019 11:37 am

A 74-year-old man who was pushed off a Las Vegas bus—allegedly by a woman he had told to "be nicer"—has died from injuries he suffered when he hit the sidewalk.

The 25-year-old suspect has been charged with his murder.
https://abcn.ws/2HrBfsq
People are disgusting.
I still believe in the death penalty, and I believe this person should receive it. I simply don't believe that a normal person would act this way, and rehabilitating a person to just use common sense isn't going to be possible.

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Postby shmenguin » Thu May 16, 2019 11:51 am

A 74-year-old man who was pushed off a Las Vegas bus—allegedly by a woman he had told to "be nicer"—has died from injuries he suffered when he hit the sidewalk.

The 25-year-old suspect has been charged with his murder.
https://abcn.ws/2HrBfsq
People are disgusting.
I still believe in the death penalty, and I believe this person should receive it. I simply don't believe that a normal person would act this way, and rehabilitating a person to just use common sense isn't going to be possible.
How would you describe the purpose of the death penalty in this case?

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Postby dodint » Thu May 16, 2019 11:52 am

Cost efficiency? Prisoners are expensive.

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Postby tifosi77 » Thu May 16, 2019 12:04 pm

That Vegas bus thing - as horrendous as it is - seems like an overreach on the charge. I'm not sure there's any way prosecutors can establish that the woman intended for the action of pushing a man off a stationary bus to be fatal.

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Postby Morkle » Thu May 16, 2019 12:04 pm

Is "this person had their chance" a solid way to describe it?

I just don't believe this person can be rehabilitated. It's a hot take, I know.

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Postby Morkle » Thu May 16, 2019 12:06 pm

That Vegas bus thing - as horrendous as it is - seems like an overreach on the charge. I'm not sure there's any way prosecutors can establish that the woman intended for the action of pushing a man off a stationary bus to be fatal.
Probably not, I'm just all for aggressive person got aggressive and killed a person. It doesn't appear to be spontaneous given how she was acting prior to shoving him.

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Postby Gaucho » Thu May 16, 2019 12:06 pm

That Vegas bus thing - as horrendous as it is - seems like an overreach on the charge. I'm not sure there's any way prosecutors can establish that the woman intended for the action of pushing a man off a stationary bus to be fatal.
Indeed.

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Postby tifosi77 » Thu May 16, 2019 12:11 pm

Don't know anything about the offender other than she's a mother who was acting like an a-hole and appeared to have a complete brain melt in the moment. That's, hopefully, the exact type of offender that should be (at least attempted) rehabilitated. If she has a history of violent crime, that's a different discussion. Just going off of info from two news reports, neither of which indicated a history.

There are certainly offenders who I believe cannot be fixed by prison. Namely serial sexual offenders; for close to 30 years, every study I've read, every law enforcement official who looks at these issues from a systemic and policy perspective, every criminal psychiatrist and psychologist who deals with these matters, all of them say that there's something fundamentally miswired in the brains of these types of offenders. It's not understood from a why perspective, just the what.... their brains are broken and simply do not work properly. No matter what, prison does not change that. Criminal conduct, generally, is transactional. But serial sexual predation feeds a need. Not for sex, but for power and control. Sex is just the mechanism. Yeah, those offenders are not fixable.

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Postby shmenguin » Thu May 16, 2019 12:15 pm

Is "this person had their chance" a solid way to describe it?

I just don't believe this person can be rehabilitated. It's a hot take, I know.
So no rehabilitation means they get killed instead of imprisoned indefinitely? Why?

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Postby shafnutz05 » Thu May 16, 2019 12:25 pm

Don't know anything about the offender other than she's a mother who was acting like an a-hole and appeared to have a complete brain melt in the moment. That's, hopefully, the exact type of offender that should be (at least attempted) rehabilitated. If she has a history of violent crime, that's a different discussion. Just going off of info from two news reports, neither of which indicated a history.
She was apparently swearing and yelling at random passengers. Which, for any of us that have lived near urban centers can attest, that happens with alarming frequency.

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Postby Morkle » Thu May 16, 2019 12:32 pm

Is "this person had their chance" a solid way to describe it?

I just don't believe this person can be rehabilitated. It's a hot take, I know.
So no rehabilitation means they get killed instead of imprisoned indefinitely? Why?
I don't know how much worth this is discussing as I know where you stand in regards to this from previous discussions.

I look at it from a respect of life stand-point. This person who killed another man using unprovoked violence, albeit inadvertently (all because she was told to be nicer), shows a true lack of respect to her own life, and the obvious lack of respect to another person's life.

For me, if that respect is not present, why have them waste away in a cell for life? Why not just speed up the process? (obviously, this person won't even likely get tried for a serious degree that warrants a death penalty.)

I personally just hate when people do things like this, and it shows a clear disregard for humanity and breaks the balance of society vs. us being nothing more than animals.

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Postby NailedPenguin » Thu May 16, 2019 12:34 pm

Uh oh. Used the A-word.

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Postby tifosi77 » Thu May 16, 2019 12:35 pm

The presumption that this person would be spending the rest of their natural life in prison is erroneous imo. 10 years, max, with the understanding that it would likely be more like 5-7 years+ parole.

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Postby CBear3 » Thu May 16, 2019 12:35 pm

Just f***ing astounding.
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I mean, she's off the effin deep end so feel free to share her other tweets, but picking this one?
Just learned MO passed a law nearly identical to AL, no allowance for rape or incest.
I guess I'll go buy stock in clothes hangers. Good job "conservatives" :face:

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