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Postby tifosi77 » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:08 am

Here is the actual draft legislation: https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper ... d/full.pdf (no direct mention of UBI or people 'unwilling to work', but highlights 'economic security' for 'all people of the United States')

Here are the deleted talking points from AOC's website: https://assets.documentcloud.org/docume ... al-FAQ.pdf ('Economic security for all who are unable or unwilling to work')

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Postby Willie Kool » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:09 am

Oh she will be relevant for the Democratic Party, by being a part of the group that will fracture it like the tea party did to the republicans.
:lol:

No.

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Postby Factorial » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:15 am

Here is the actual draft legislation: https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper ... d/full.pdf (no direct mention of UBI or people 'unwilling to work', but highlights 'economic security' for 'all people of the United States')

Here are the deleted talking points from AOC's website: https://assets.documentcloud.org/docume ... al-FAQ.pdf ('Economic security for all who are unable or unwilling to work')
In other words, LBL and Guiness were wrong?

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Postby Factorial » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:16 am

Oh she will be relevant for the Democratic Party, by being a part of the group that will fracture it like the tea party did to the republicans.
:lol:

No.
:thumb: brother.

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Postby tifosi77 » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:18 am

Depends on how you want to parse the draft language. While it doesn't directly make the callout that's in the FAQ, "economic security for all people of the United States" is a very large net that presumably includes people "unwilling to work"; there's nothing in that construction that expressly excludes such people.

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Postby CBear3 » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:24 am

it also doesn't say only citizens; GAH! more handouts for the illegal rapists!

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Postby Lemon Berry Lobster » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:25 am

Here is the actual draft legislation: https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper ... d/full.pdf (no direct mention of UBI or people 'unwilling to work', but highlights 'economic security' for 'all people of the United States')

Here are the deleted talking points from AOC's website: https://assets.documentcloud.org/docume ... al-FAQ.pdf ('Economic security for all who are unable or unwilling to work')
In other words, LBL and Guiness were wrong?
In other words the draft is still a joke because it plans to get rid of air travel by use of electric trains. That and she can't keep her story straight saying it will take huge government intervention or not. She isn't some boogey man, she's a zealot incapable of producing actual results. She won because she convinced people dumber than herself she is capable of producing results. She is shoved down everyone's throat as the next big thing which is troubling because she has no clue what she is ever talking about.

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Postby count2infinity » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:26 am

:lol:

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Postby Viva la Ben » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:27 am

It’s simpler to just say build the wall.

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Postby Viva la Ben » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:28 am

Very Lit BTW

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Postby Freddy Rumsen » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:30 am

Gotta save all that tax money for renovating every building in the US and for people unwilling to work.
Call me when she is actually relevant outside of being your boogie man.
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Postby slappybrown » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:31 am

Very Lit BTW
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Postby Freddy Rumsen » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:32 am

Here is the actual draft legislation: https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper ... d/full.pdf (no direct mention of UBI or people 'unwilling to work', but highlights 'economic security' for 'all people of the United States')

Here are the deleted talking points from AOC's website: https://assets.documentcloud.org/docume ... al-FAQ.pdf ('Economic security for all who are unable or unwilling to work')
In other words, LBL and Guiness were wrong?
Here is the final draft that was deleted.

https://t.co/eQVsnHk52K

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Postby count2infinity » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:33 am

I see there was an "attack" on the media at Trump's rally... I haven't seen a shot of the altercation, just the aftermath of the guy yelling "F*ck the media!", thus the quotes around the word attack. Then as they're dragging the man away from the media location, the crowd starts chanting "LET HIM GO!". It's really only a matter of time before one of these altercations go really badly. Bigly, if you will.

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Postby Lemon Berry Lobster » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:38 am

Very Lit BTW
you don't think I use that word seriously, do you?

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Postby Factorial » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:39 am

Here is the actual draft legislation: https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper ... d/full.pdf (no direct mention of UBI or people 'unwilling to work', but highlights 'economic security' for 'all people of the United States')

Here are the deleted talking points from AOC's website: https://assets.documentcloud.org/docume ... al-FAQ.pdf ('Economic security for all who are unable or unwilling to work')
In other words, LBL and Guiness were wrong?
In other words the draft is still a joke because it plans to get rid of air travel by use of electric trains. That and she can't keep her story straight saying it will take huge government intervention or not. She isn't some boogey man, she's a zealot incapable of producing actual results. She won because she convinced people dumber than herself she is capable of producing results. She is shoved down everyone's throat as the next big thing which is troubling because she has no clue what she is ever talking about.
I think if we reviewed the history here we'd see that you bring her up for than anyone else so stop shoving her down our throats :).

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Postby Factorial » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:42 am

Here is the actual draft legislation: https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper ... d/full.pdf (no direct mention of UBI or people 'unwilling to work', but highlights 'economic security' for 'all people of the United States')

Here are the deleted talking points from AOC's website: https://assets.documentcloud.org/docume ... al-FAQ.pdf ('Economic security for all who are unable or unwilling to work')
In other words, LBL and Guiness were wrong?
Here is the final draft that was deleted.

https://t.co/eQVsnHk52K
Right, deleted, it ain't there. There's plenty to complain about and critique without making things up.

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Postby Freddy Rumsen » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:42 am

Our poor, poor media.

The firefighters have it so rough. People making mean t-shirts about them.
Hi, @bloomingdales. Apologizing "for any offense we may have caused" is not a sincere apology. This is not about journalists' hurt feelings. This is about damage done to our democracy when your brand joins in perpetuating and celebrating the idea of "fake news." Please try again.
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Postby Freddy Rumsen » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:43 am

Here is the actual draft legislation: https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper ... d/full.pdf (no direct mention of UBI or people 'unwilling to work', but highlights 'economic security' for 'all people of the United States')

Here are the deleted talking points from AOC's website: https://assets.documentcloud.org/docume ... al-FAQ.pdf ('Economic security for all who are unable or unwilling to work')
In other words, LBL and Guiness were wrong?
Here is the final draft that was deleted.

https://t.co/eQVsnHk52K
Right, deleted, it ain't there. There's plenty to complain about and critique without making things up.
So...what is the game here? "She didn't mean it"?

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Postby Lemon Berry Lobster » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:50 am

Here is the actual draft legislation: https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper ... d/full.pdf (no direct mention of UBI or people 'unwilling to work', but highlights 'economic security' for 'all people of the United States')

Here are the deleted talking points from AOC's website: https://assets.documentcloud.org/docume ... al-FAQ.pdf ('Economic security for all who are unable or unwilling to work')
In other words, LBL and Guiness were wrong?
In other words the draft is still a joke because it plans to get rid of air travel by use of electric trains. That and she can't keep her story straight saying it will take huge government intervention or not. She isn't some boogey man, she's a zealot incapable of producing actual results. She won because she convinced people dumber than herself she is capable of producing results. She is shoved down everyone's throat as the next big thing which is troubling because she has no clue what she is ever talking about.
I think if we reviewed the history here we'd see that you bring her up for than anyone else so stop shoving her down our throats :).
This was maybe the second or third time I've brought her up that I can recall.

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Postby Lemon Berry Lobster » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:53 am

Our poor, poor media.

The firefighters have it so rough. People making mean t-shirts about them.
Hi, @bloomingdales. Apologizing "for any offense we may have caused" is not a sincere apology. This is not about journalists' hurt feelings. This is about damage done to our democracy when your brand joins in perpetuating and celebrating the idea of "fake news." Please try again.
https://twitter.com/pwoodreporter/statu ... 2800473090
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Postby Factorial » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:53 am

Here is the actual draft legislation: https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper ... d/full.pdf (no direct mention of UBI or people 'unwilling to work', but highlights 'economic security' for 'all people of the United States')

Here are the deleted talking points from AOC's website: https://assets.documentcloud.org/docume ... al-FAQ.pdf ('Economic security for all who are unable or unwilling to work')
In other words, LBL and Guiness were wrong?
Here is the final draft that was deleted.

https://t.co/eQVsnHk52K
Right, deleted, it ain't there. There's plenty to complain about and critique without making things up.
So...what is the game here? "She didn't mean it"?
Not all democrats signed on to it which is what those two said.

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Postby tifosi77 » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:54 am

Here is the actual draft legislation: https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper ... d/full.pdf (no direct mention of UBI or people 'unwilling to work', but highlights 'economic security' for 'all people of the United States')

Here are the deleted talking points from AOC's website: https://assets.documentcloud.org/docume ... al-FAQ.pdf ('Economic security for all who are unable or unwilling to work')
In other words, LBL and Guiness were wrong?
Here is the final draft that was deleted.

https://t.co/eQVsnHk52K
Right, that's the FAQ that I posted.

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Postby Guinness » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:56 am

Here is the actual draft legislation: https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper ... d/full.pdf (no direct mention of UBI or people 'unwilling to work', but highlights 'economic security' for 'all people of the United States')

Here are the deleted talking points from AOC's website: https://assets.documentcloud.org/docume ... al-FAQ.pdf ('Economic security for all who are unable or unwilling to work')
In other words, LBL and Guiness were wrong?
Ooh right... I forgot. Moving on. :thumb:

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Postby MR25 » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:56 am

Here is the actual draft legislation: https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper ... d/full.pdf (no direct mention of UBI or people 'unwilling to work', but highlights 'economic security' for 'all people of the United States')

Here are the deleted talking points from AOC's website: https://assets.documentcloud.org/docume ... al-FAQ.pdf ('Economic security for all who are unable or unwilling to work')
In other words, LBL and Guiness were wrong?
Here is the final draft that was deleted.

https://t.co/eQVsnHk52K
Right, deleted, it ain't there. There's plenty to complain about and critique without making things up.
So...what is the game here? "She didn't mean it"?

It seems like a case of negotiation. I'm going to go wild on X, you're going to go wild with Y, and we compromise on Z.

If it's not in the final bill, why are we focusing on it instead of what's actually in the bill?

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