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Postby tifosi77 » Fri Dec 01, 2017 8:09 pm

I'll give you he might swing MI and WI, but couldn't beat Clinton head-to-head in PA. I'm not sure there's enough votes in the 41,000 margin Trump earned in the general that would be persuaded to side with Larry David. And even giving him MI and WI, that's not enough to get to 270.

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Postby columbia » Fri Dec 01, 2017 8:10 pm

WK didn't believe me that Bernie would get slaughtered in the Southern primaries.

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Postby grunthy » Fri Dec 01, 2017 8:19 pm

I'll give you he might swing MI and WI, but couldn't beat Clinton head-to-head in PA. I'm not sure there's enough votes in the 41,000 margin Trump earned in the general that would be persuaded to side with Larry David. And even giving him MI and WI, that's not enough to get to 270.

He would probably lose Virginia.

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Postby eddy » Fri Dec 01, 2017 8:28 pm

This seems like it's a pretty yooge clarification

https://twitter.com/oliverdarcy/status/ ... 9083751424

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Oliver Darcy Retweeted ABC News

ABC News spokesperson tells me that “World News” will clarify that this should be president-elect Trump, not candidate Trump.
That seems pretty significant. What does this mean now?

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Postby large garlic » Fri Dec 01, 2017 8:34 pm

I'm willing to admit that Sanders is not the most electable option for Democrats in 2020, but I'd think he'd still have a decent shot of beating Trump (not a slam dunk, but a real possibility). Stein got 51,000 votes in Michigan, and Clinton lost by ~11k. Stein got 31k in Wisconsin, and Clinton lost by ~22k. Stein got 51k in PA, and Clinton lost by ~44k.

So, just getting the Stein vote would put Sanders over the top, even if you don't assume that he'll cut into Trump's lower-class white voters or drive up the turnout for younger voters. Of course, there might be some neverTrump Republicans who voted for Clinton, but wouldn't vote for Sanders, but I think it would be doable or really close to doable for Sanders.

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Postby NailedPenguin » Fri Dec 01, 2017 8:46 pm

This seems like it's a pretty yooge clarification

https://twitter.com/oliverdarcy/status/ ... 9083751424

@oliverdarcy
Oliver Darcy Retweeted ABC News

ABC News spokesperson tells me that “World News” will clarify that this should be president-elect Trump, not candidate Trump.
That seems pretty significant. What does this mean now?
It means nothing wrong was done and it seems to be proper due diligence heading in to an administration.

That's not to say more isn't yet to come, but in terms of today's news I think some people are hearing the sad trombone playing in their heads.

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Postby Willie Kool » Fri Dec 01, 2017 8:46 pm

I'll give you he might swing MI and WI, but couldn't beat Clinton head-to-head in PA. I'm not sure there's enough votes in the 41,000 margin Trump earned in the general that would be persuaded to side with Larry David. And even giving him MI and WI, that's not enough to get to 270.
There were at least that many union members who stayed home or voted for someone else as a result of the bullshit executive-decided HRC union endorsements in the primary.

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Postby NailedPenguin » Fri Dec 01, 2017 8:50 pm

Think I kind of misused the term due diligence but whatever.

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Postby columbia » Fri Dec 01, 2017 8:52 pm

It's clear that obstruction of justice is on the table for some folks, so it will be interesting to see what they were trying to hide.

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Postby Willie Kool » Fri Dec 01, 2017 8:53 pm

WK didn't believe me that Bernie would get slaughtered in the Southern primaries.
I believed you. Hardly anyone down there even knew who he was. I just hoped...

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Postby Freddy Rumsen » Fri Dec 01, 2017 8:53 pm

Turns out the earlier Brian Ross story on ABC was incorrect.

https://twitter.com/oliverdarcy/status/ ... 5540482048

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Postby Willie Kool » Fri Dec 01, 2017 8:54 pm

It's clear that obstruction of justice is on the table for some folks, so it will be interesting to see what they were trying to hide.
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Postby columbia » Fri Dec 01, 2017 8:55 pm

It's clear that obstruction of justice is on the table for some folks, so it will be interesting to see what they were trying to hide.
Rosneft
Note that this most certainly includes the current POTUS - which should be obvious, of course.

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Postby Willie Kool » Fri Dec 01, 2017 8:56 pm

He would probably lose Virginia.
This is the only real wildcard. Possible, but I think he'd hold it. Especially in 2020, now that people will really know what 4 more years of Trump means...

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Postby columbia » Fri Dec 01, 2017 8:57 pm

Suburban Clinton voters in VA would not have voted to Trump.

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Postby grunthy » Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:02 pm

Suburban Clinton voters in VA would not have voted to Trump.
They wouldn’t have voted at all.

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Postby Willie Kool » Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:11 pm

Suburban Clinton voters in VA would not have voted to Trump.
They wouldn’t have voted at all.
Some might not have in 2016, but in 2020 it'll be a whole different game.

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Postby Freddy Rumsen » Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:34 pm

More info ABC's Bryan Ross's major reporting oops in regards to Trump

https://twitter.com/BecketAdams/status/ ... 5949435904

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Postby columbia » Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:35 pm

We certainly need to call off the dogs.

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Postby Viva la Ben » Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:54 pm

I wonder if the Mueller probe already had Flynn’s story before Kushner was asked the same questions under oath?

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Postby columbia » Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:56 pm

I wonder if the Mueller probe already had Flynn’s story before Kushner was asked the same questions under oath?
Certainly possible. These clowns are in real trouble, either way.

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Postby slappybrown » Fri Dec 01, 2017 11:52 pm

This is atrocious. .94%.
JUST IN: Republicans vote down Rubio/Lee amendment to expand bill’s child tax credit and pay for it by setting the corporate tax rate at 20.94% rather than 20% bloom.bg/2jEDUTB

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Postby columbia » Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:17 am

Senate GOP tax plan includes special break for conservative Hillsdale College
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.freep. ... /915798001

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Postby Nittany Ned » Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:19 am

Sorry everyone, but I’d be stunned if Trump wasn’t re-elected. Can never underestimate the silent majority.

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