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Postby Willie Kool » Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:51 pm

I'm not familiar enough... what was he there for?
Wiki:
Juan Francisco López-Sánchez (or Francisco Sánchez; given name José Inez García Zárate),[17] of Guanajuato, Mexico, had been deported from the U.S. a total of five times, most recently in 2009.[18] He was on probation in Texas at the time of the shooting.[19] He had seven felony convictions. When he was apprehended, Garcia Zarate was listed as 45 years old by police, but as 52 in jail records.[20]

Garcia Zarate arrived in the U.S. sometime before 1991, the year he was convicted of his first drug charge in Arizona. In 1993, he was convicted three times in Washington state for felony heroin possession and manufacturing narcotics. Following another drug conviction and jail term, this time in Oregon, the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) deported Garcia Zarate in June 1994. However, Garcia Zarate returned to the U.S. within two years and was convicted again of heroin possession in Washington state. He was deported for the second time in 1997.[17]

On February 2, 1998, Garcia Zarate was deported for the third time, after reentering the U.S. through Arizona. United States Border Patrol caught him six days later at a border crossing, and a federal court sentenced Garcia Zarate to five years and three months in federal prison for unauthorized reentry. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), successor of the INS, deported Garcia Zarate in 2003 for his fourth deportation. However, he reentered the U.S. through the Texas border and got another federal prison sentence for reentry before being deported for the fifth time in June 2009.[17]

Less than three months after his fifth deportation, Garcia Zarate was caught attempting to cross the border in Eagle Pass, Texas. He pleaded guilty to felony reentry; upon sentencing, a federal court recommended Garcia Zarate be placed in "a federal medical facility as soon as possible".[17]

On March 26, 2015, at the request of the San Francisco Sheriff's Department (SFSD), United States Bureau of Prisons (BOP) had turned Garcia Zarate over to San Francisco authorities for an outstanding drug warrant.[21] San Francisco officials transported Garcia Zarate to San Francisco County Jail on March 26, 2015, to face a 20-year-old felony charge of selling and possessing marijuana after Garcia Zarate completed his latest prison term in San Bernardino County for entering in the country without the proper documents.[22]

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) had issued a detainer for Garcia Zarate requesting that he be kept in custody until immigration authorities could pick him up. However, as a sanctuary city, its “Due Process for All” ordinance[23] restricted cooperation with ICE to cases only where the immigrant had both current violent felony charges and past violent felony convictions; therefore, San Francisco disregarded the detainer and released him.[24][25] He was released from San Francisco County Jail on April 15, 2015, and had no outstanding warrants or judicial warrants, as confirmed by the San Francisco Sheriff's Department.[19]

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Postby columbia » Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:53 pm

And he's an outstanding example of why the sanctuary city concept is quite bad.

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Postby columbia » Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:55 pm

Trump Pressed Top Republicans to End Senate Russia Inquiry
https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.nyt ... l.amp.html

He needs to go to jail.

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Postby Willie Kool » Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:55 pm

And he's an outstanding example of why the sanctuary city concept is quite bad.
The idea is to allow crime victims to contact police without fear of deportation. I'm all for that...

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Postby columbia » Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:01 pm

And he's an outstanding example of why the sanctuary city concept is quite bad.
The idea is to allow crime victims to contact police without fear of deportation. I'm all for that...
Sure.

I'm discussing local jurisdictions shielding people suspected of committing criminal acts, after entering the country.

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Postby Willie Kool » Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:06 pm

I'm discussing local jurisdictions shielding people suspected of committing criminal acts, after entering the country.
I think everybody, at least everybody here, agrees that shouldn't happen...

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Postby Viva la Ben » Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:15 pm

Trump Pressed Top Republicans to End Senate Russia Inquiry
https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.nyt ... l.amp.html

He needs to go to jail.
That is a yuge obstruction of justice.

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Postby Freddy Rumsen » Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:18 pm

Calls for the Congressional Black Caucus co-founder to resign have been more prevalent than those for the former comedian to step down
https://t.co/Jp3NDDJELI https://t.co/IaelBl3JqR

Democrats are racist

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Postby columbia » Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:21 pm

Trump Pressed Top Republicans to End Senate Russia Inquiry
https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.nyt ... l.amp.html

He needs to go to jail.
That is a yuge obstruction of justice.
One would think, but we live in a post fact world.

@Freddy Rumsen seems increasingly correct: Trump really is the Jacques Derrida of American politics.

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Postby Freddy Rumsen » Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:23 pm

Nothing good ever comes out of France.

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Postby Viva la Ben » Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:28 pm

Nothing good ever comes out of France.
Image

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Postby columbia » Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:29 pm

Nothing good ever comes out of France.
I still value the more straight up semiotics folks like Roland Barthes. :)

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Postby Freddy Rumsen » Thu Nov 30, 2017 11:00 pm

The logical end of Derrida's philosophy (and others of his ilk) is suicide.

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Postby columbia » Thu Nov 30, 2017 11:01 pm

Nihilism? ;)

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Postby Lemon Berry Lobster » Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:55 am

Nothing good ever comes out of France.
The statue of liberty and crepes are pretty solid.

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Postby shafnutz05 » Fri Dec 01, 2017 7:02 am

Akihito will become the first emperor in 200 years to abdicate the throne.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/30/asia/japa ... index.html

Of course, his dad was Hirohito, who reigned until 1989 despite likely being complicit in all of the atrocities the Japanese committed during WWII and the Chinese occupation.

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Postby Freddy Rumsen » Fri Dec 01, 2017 7:58 am

"If five per cent should seem too small,
Be thankful I don't take it all."

George Harrison, "Taxman."

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Postby eddy » Fri Dec 01, 2017 8:22 am

Trump Pressed Top Republicans to End Senate Russia Inquiry
https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.nyt ... l.amp.html

He needs to go to jail.
That is a yuge obstruction of justice.
Republicans played down Mr. Trump’s appeals, describing them as the actions of a political newcomer unfamiliar with what is appropriate presidential conduct.
no big deal, he was just new to this

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Postby large garlic » Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:02 am

I've heard, I think, 3 different Republican Congressmen interviewed on NPR in the last 24 hours concerning the tax bill. All of them have engaged in baldfaced lies that the interviewer would call them on using analyses from reputable sources, and they'd all just say, "Oh, the CBO? They're always wrong. Oh, those PhD economists surveyed about trickle down effects? They don't know anything." It was just disgusting to listen to.

Chuck Grassley did admit that pushing up the limits on the estate tax benefitted the ultra-wealthy exclusively, but he claimed that that was OK because he has philosophical objections to the estate tax anyhow.

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Postby Troy Loney » Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:06 am

So apparantely Mnuchin not being able to get his Treasury minions to produce a doctored budget projection is what handcuffed the process last night. So this would be an instance of Trump admin ineptitude preventing destructive action.

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Postby Silentom » Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:08 am

So, how much does this bill plough the average American in the ass?

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Postby count2infinity » Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:11 am

I heard Grassley's interview last night. That's what I got out of it as well. When pressed about the 1.5 trillion dollar debt this tax plan will produce based on all the "experts" analysis his response was that we'll make up for it in spades because the lower tax rate will spark growth. When asked about the growth that's currently happening without lowering the tax rates he stumbled for a second and just said "Well, we'll see more."

Seems as though accumulation of wealth and trickle down economics is not dead. It's alive and well in the minds of the GOP politicians.

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Postby grunthy » Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:14 am

I've heard, I think, 3 different Republican Congressmen interviewed on NPR in the last 24 hours concerning the tax bill. All of them have engaged in baldfaced lies that the interviewer would call them on using analyses from reputable sources, and they'd all just say, "Oh, the CBO? They're always wrong. Oh, those PhD economists surveyed about trickle down effects? They don't know anything." It was just disgusting to listen to.

Chuck Grassley did admit that pushing up the limits on the estate tax benefitted the ultra-wealthy exclusively, but he claimed that that was OK because he has philosophical objections to the estate tax anyhow.

Well the CBO is rarely right. Playing devils advocate here.

1. How can you score a bill that hasn’t even been shown yet, and isn’t finished?
2. Naming economists who say something doesn’t work isn’t really an argument, one can find many economists who agree that trickle down does work.
3. Yes the estate tax primarily only affects the super wealthy, though I’m with Grassley that it shouldn’t be a thing.

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Postby Troy Loney » Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:15 am

So, how much does this bill plough the average American in the ass?
Long term it will force major changes to medicare and social security. The current budget deficit is around 500 Billion and growing, the current projection has the debt growing by ten trillion over the next ten years and the dynamic score has the bill adding another trillion to that number.

The problem with this tax bill is that the GOP should be using their congressional weight for healthcare and medicare reform because that's the driver of growing budget deficits. Gouging revenues at a time there has to be a shift in spending and raising revenues is change a bad situation to a badder situation.

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Postby Troy Loney » Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:16 am

I've heard, I think, 3 different Republican Congressmen interviewed on NPR in the last 24 hours concerning the tax bill. All of them have engaged in baldfaced lies that the interviewer would call them on using analyses from reputable sources, and they'd all just say, "Oh, the CBO? They're always wrong. Oh, those PhD economists surveyed about trickle down effects? They don't know anything." It was just disgusting to listen to.

Chuck Grassley did admit that pushing up the limits on the estate tax benefitted the ultra-wealthy exclusively, but he claimed that that was OK because he has philosophical objections to the estate tax anyhow.

Well the CBO is rarely right. Playing devils advocate here.

1. How can you score a bill that hasn’t even been shown yet, and isn’t finished?
2. Naming economists who say something doesn’t work isn’t really an argument, one can find many economists who agree that trickle down does work.
3. Yes the estate tax primarily only affects the super wealthy, though I’m with Grassley that it shouldn’t be a thing.
Estate tax should probably be lowered and reformed, but the double taxation argument is bogus. If they repeal the estate tax, capital gains in the trust would become tax free.

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