Politics And Current Events

Postby **Miami Vice** » Thu Dec 03, 2015 1:27 pm

There is still a huge black market for that stuff in Colorado and Washington. Just like in NYC there is a huge black market for cigarettes.

Why? The punitive taxes on them.

Postby **ExPatriatePen** » Thu Dec 03, 2015 1:28 pm

There is still a huge black market for that stuff in Colorado and Washington. Just like in NYC there is a huge black market for cigarettes.

Why? The punitive taxes on them.

BOOM!!!

Postby **Freddy Rumsen** » Thu Dec 03, 2015 1:29 pm

adam lanza illegally acquired weapons, and they were a few feet from where he slept. does that qualifier matter at all?
TIL that murdering a legal gun owner and taking their weapons apparently constitutes legal acquisition of said guns.

He did not own any of the guns he used at Sandy Hook. He broke something like a dozen laws, most related to illegal possession, before he even showed up at the school.

In related news if the wife was a K-1 (fiance) VISA holder it was illegal for her to possess firearms.

Postby **shmenguin** » Thu Dec 03, 2015 1:30 pm

adam lanza illegally acquired weapons

TIL that murdering a legal gun owner and taking their weapons apparently constitutes legal acquisition of said guns.

don't follow

Postby **NAN** » Thu Dec 03, 2015 1:31 pm

because guns are incredibly dangerous and other people are using them to kill people.

it's not an ideal solution but no solution ever is. Whenever you make legislation like this, you're going to negatively affect a portion of the population...that's just how life is. If outlawing guns means they have to go to the grocery store more, I'm not losing any sleep over it
They aren't dangerous for the vast majority of people that use them properly.
Conversely, they're very dangerous if you happen to have one aimed in your direction by any one of a dozen zealots of multiple faiths, persuasion, and ethnicities that have been in the news in the last, oh, year.

The prior incarnation of this board actually had one of those. So it's not as far removed from our daily lives as one might think.

A lot of things can be dangerous if someone wants to use it improperly.

Postby **shmenguin** » Thu Dec 03, 2015 1:31 pm

There is still a huge black market for that stuff in Colorado and Washington. Just like in NYC there is a huge black market for cigarettes.

Why? The punitive taxes on them.
BOOM!!!

and we can stop comparing guns to drugs at any time now.

Postby **NAN** » Thu Dec 03, 2015 1:32 pm

There is still a huge black market for that stuff in Colorado and Washington. Just like in NYC there is a huge black market for cigarettes.

Why? The punitive taxes on them.
BOOM!!!
and we can stop comparing guns to drugs at any time now.

Why?

Postby **count2infinity** » Thu Dec 03, 2015 1:34 pm

and we can stop comparing guns to drugs at any time now.

what about TVs?

Postby **Nuge** » Thu Dec 03, 2015 1:35 pm

I'm almost half convinced that our current president has stock in Smith and Wesson because every time he says anything about stricter gun control, guns are flying off the shelf at a record pace.

Postby **grunthy** » Thu Dec 03, 2015 1:35 pm

There is still a huge black market for that stuff in Colorado and Washington. Just like in NYC there is a huge black market for cigarettes.

Why? The punitive taxes on them.
BOOM!!!
and we can stop comparing guns to drugs at any time now.

Any time in US history that the government has made something illegal or hard to buy it has created black markets that ordinary citizens used frequently. So we should ignore history because it suits your narrative?

Postby **shmenguin** » Thu Dec 03, 2015 1:36 pm

let's start with this...

in colorado, there is virtually no risk in buying black market weed. in fact, once your transaction is complete, there is zero risk, none. even if you run down the street swinging a baggie over your head. and let's say, hypothetically, there was risk. you are buying something that is meant to be consumed within a reasonably short time frame. you are not going to have it in your side table for the rest of your life.

Postby **columbia** » Thu Dec 03, 2015 1:36 pm

and we can stop comparing guns to drugs at any time now.
what about TVs?

Postby **PFiDC** » Thu Dec 03, 2015 1:37 pm

Exactly. How many Haggis' (Haggai?) has Tif illegally purchased?

Postby **Freddy Rumsen** » Thu Dec 03, 2015 1:37 pm

There is still a huge black market for that stuff in Colorado and Washington. Just like in NYC there is a huge black market for cigarettes.

Why? The punitive taxes on them.
BOOM!!!
and we can stop comparing guns to drugs at any time now.

Well drugs kill a lot more.

Postby **shmenguin** » Thu Dec 03, 2015 1:38 pm

Any time in US history that the government has made something illegal or hard to buy it has created black markets that ordinary citizens used frequently. So we should ignore history because it suits your narrative?

legit curious...what other examples besides drugs and alcohol?

Postby **PFiDC** » Thu Dec 03, 2015 1:38 pm

Prostitution is the only thing I can think of off the top of my head

Postby **Freddy Rumsen** » Thu Dec 03, 2015 1:39 pm

In a historic move, Defense Secretary Ash Carter on Thursday announced that the military will open all combat jobs to women.

"There will be no exceptions," Carter said at a briefing, adding that meant women could serve as Army Rangers, Green Berets and Navy SEALs.

http://thehill.com/policy/defense/26195 ... s-to-women

Postby **shmenguin** » Thu Dec 03, 2015 1:39 pm

Prostitution is the only thing I can think of off the top of my head

if ordinary citizens are using prostitution frequently, my neighborhood just got much more interesting

Postby **NAN** » Thu Dec 03, 2015 1:39 pm

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/author ... li=BBnb7Kz

While not willing to state for certain, early findings are that the shooter was "radicalized" and has been found to be in touch with at least one person who has connections with Islamic terrorist organizations and is being watched by the FBI.

Postby **Freddy Rumsen** » Thu Dec 03, 2015 1:39 pm

https://twitter.com/NBCNightlyNews/stat ... 1228625926

Postby **ExPatriatePen** » Thu Dec 03, 2015 1:40 pm

Any time in US history that the government has made something illegal or hard to buy it has created black markets that ordinary citizens used frequently. So we should ignore history because it suits your narrative?
legit curious...what other examples besides drugs and alcohol?

Cigarettes... I think it's pretty clear that damn near everything that has high punitive taxes associated with it ends up creating an incentive for avoiding that process... (should we mention Corporate Taxes?)

(assuming "hard to buy" also implies "more expensive")

Postby **NAN** » Thu Dec 03, 2015 1:40 pm

Any time in US history that the government has made something illegal or hard to buy it has created black markets that ordinary citizens used frequently. So we should ignore history because it suits your narrative?
legit curious...what other examples besides drugs and alcohol?

Exotic animals.

Postby **shmenguin** » Thu Dec 03, 2015 1:42 pm

the exotic animal and bootleg cigarette markets seem a little niche to me

Postby **grunthy** » Thu Dec 03, 2015 1:43 pm

let's start with this...

in colorado, there is virtually no risk in buying black market weed. in fact, once your transaction is complete, there is zero risk, none. even if you run down the street swinging a baggie over your head. and let's say, hypothetically, there was risk. you are buying something that is meant to be consumed within a reasonably short time frame. you are not going to have it in your side table for the rest of your life.

The same could be said for firearms. A policeman can't just walk up to you and demand to see if you bought the gun legally.

Postby **ExPatriatePen** » Thu Dec 03, 2015 1:43 pm

the exotic animal and bootleg cigarette markets seem a little niche to me

Native American Indian tribes are glad you consider Tobacco "niche". They make a really nice profit on them.

Oh yeah, that reminds me... Gambling.