Politics And Current Events

[Shyster]

And Texas is not ignoring any ruling. The SCOTUS vacated an injunction that the district court had put in place. That injunction barred the US Border Patrol from cutting and removing the barriers that Texas had put in place. With the injunction gone, the Border Patrol would now be free to remove barriers. But there is no injunction in place that says that Texas has to do anything or stop doing anything. If the Border Patrol wants an injunction to block Texas from putting up barriers, or that would order the Texas National Guard to vacate that park, then they need to sue and ask for one.

[Morkle]

So let the scenario play out then. Texas National Guard is ordered by Abbott to continue to place wire. Border Patrol takes the wire down, either nothing is changed, or there's a conflict.

[Pavel Bure]

So let the scenario play out then. Texas National Guard is ordered by Abbott to continue to place wire. Border Patrol takes the wire down, either nothing is changed, or there's a conflict.

I don’t know the answer here. Is nationalizing the guard an option? Surely this isn’t just an “aw shucks they’re ignoring mom and dad” situation right? It’s literally begging the fed to have a conflict right before election time.

[AuthorTony]

It’s literally begging the fed to have a conflict right before election time.

That's exactly what the Rs/Texas wants. Imagine the spin. "Biden usurps states' rights to aid illegals!" "Biden seizes control of the national guard so that more illegals can freely cross the border!" "Biden welcomes rapists and drug dealers who are going to vote Democrat in November!" Fox News and their ilk are rooting for this to happen so hard they're probably jizzing in their pants.

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[Pavel Bure]

Okay so how about this. Many people trying to come to this country are looking for work. It’s obviously hard to punish people who are unregistered/undocumented. So, take a different approach. Hire more inspectors and increase the fines for hiring illegal aliens. Increase random inspections and put the burden on the employers. Make it so it doesn’t behoove them to hire illegal workers.

If they can’t find work then they have far less of a reason to try and make it into the country.

[tifosi77]

I've been saying that for 20 years. There is no supply without demand. Cut off the latter and the former will decrease apace.

But our economy hinges on this supply of cheap labor. It is utterly dependent upon it, and entire segments would be kneecapped without it. And no one wants to seriously punish the vaunted 'job creators' of the country, and that's why you never see anything beyond token efforts (a few very high-profile enforcement actions in different locations every year). To paraphrase Malone from The Untouchables: Everyone knows where the source of the problem is. The problem isn't finding it. The problem is who wants to turn the issue of immigration enforcement into one where 'Muricans! are the bad guys going to jail.

[dodint]

Oh no my avocado.

[Pavel Bure]

This is pretty incredible reporting. This guy does good work and for the most part just talks to people without trying to put a slant on things. It’s about the Arizona border, migrant camps, and how border patrol is handling the situation currently. There’s also way more Africans than I would have ever thought that are crossing over.

[MalkinIsMyHomeboy]

immigration stuff is such a hilarious-seeming red herring; particularly with the context that undocumented workers are kind of necessary for a lot of labor in the country

like, yeah, it would be nice if we had better control over the border, but also the issues that stem from the immigration aren’t near as bad as other issues the country is facing yet this has become such a large political “issue”

It’s kind of a sad diversion, in a way. Like a lot of the books-in-schools stuff, etc. the **** is small potatoes, at least to me, compared to other issues in the country (how much the US pays per capita in health costs, cruel abortion laws, mass shootings having no affect on gun laws, etc) but of course politicians have convinced conservatives that the border is do-or-die


just very discouraging

[Troy Loney]

I concede that the democrats do not have a comprehensive solution to illegal border crossing.

But it would be easier to take the “issue” seriously if the republicans weren’t openly cheering for a border crisis. Red dog democrats are basically negotiating with themselves and came to a deal in the senate. And the republicans just killed it.

[King Colby]

So Texas is ignoring the SC ruling about the barb wire and barricades. This is more about if Trump loses the election, GOP colored states are seeing how far they can push just ignoring rulings and putting in who they want as president.

It's absolutely time to start pulling funding/aid from the state.

Are people here actually in favor of illegal immigration?

[AuthorTony]

If Republicans (pols and media, not voters) really wanted the immigration issue to be solved, they would stop going on TV and proclaiming to listeners around the world that the US has an open border where anyone who wants to can waltz right in and get a free ride. R's know that's not true, and saying it is true is like putting up a gigantic "Come to America" billboard. They want the issue to get worse so they can keep hammering Dems/Biden on being soft.

[Pavel Bure]

So Texas is ignoring the SC ruling about the barb wire and barricades. This is more about if Trump loses the election, GOP colored states are seeing how far they can push just ignoring rulings and putting in who they want as president.

It's absolutely time to start pulling funding/aid from the state.

Are people here actually in favor of illegal immigration?

I’m against murdering people. Also,

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

[King Colby]

What's that have to do with putting barbed wire on a fence that people aren't supposed to be touching?

[Pavel Bure]

What's that have to do with putting barbed wire on a fence that people aren't supposed to be touching?

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/01/15/us/w ... index.html

Part of a bigger issue. Abbott already said he’d be shooting them if not for being charged with murder. Are we America, the land of the free, the home of opportunity, the Christian nation so many want, or are we not?

[CBear3]

So Texas is ignoring the SC ruling about the barb wire and barricades. This is more about if Trump loses the election, GOP colored states are seeing how far they can push just ignoring rulings and putting in who they want as president.

It's absolutely time to start pulling funding/aid from the state.

Are people here actually in favor of illegal immigration?

What is illegal and what is seeking asylum? If you close the gates where you can request asylum for the sole purpose of denying people asylum you're forcing people to enter illegally to perform an act that is legally protected.

And as tif has mentioned, migrant work forces that do tours picking crops or other seasonal jobs before returning home/trading places with a relative are fairly common and help sustain sectors of the economy.

I don't think anybody wants people crossing the border without being able to be recorded, controlled, filtered in some manner, but the people you might say are "in favor of illegal immigration" see the current flow as a net positive and would just like the process to be traceable and controlled.

[Pavel Bure]

So Texas is ignoring the SC ruling about the barb wire and barricades. This is more about if Trump loses the election, GOP colored states are seeing how far they can push just ignoring rulings and putting in who they want as president.

It's absolutely time to start pulling funding/aid from the state.

Are people here actually in favor of illegal immigration?

What is illegal and what is seeking asylum? If you close the gates where you can request asylum for the sole purpose of denying people asylum you're forcing people to enter illegally to perform an act that is legally protected.

And as tif has mentioned, migrant work forces that do tours picking crops or other seasonal jobs before returning home/trading places with a relative are fairly common and help sustain sectors of the economy.

I don't think anybody wants people crossing the border without being able to be recorded, controlled, filtered in some manner, but the people you might say are "in favor of illegal immigration" see the current flow as a net positive and would just like the process to be traceable and controlled.

Check out the video I posted. Coyotes direct them to border patrol where they claim to seek asylum. From there they are photographed and if they have any identifying documents those are also copied. They are then sent to their next destination where they receive a $3k gift card and a cell phone since asylum hearings occur up to 24 months from processing. The cell phone is an attempt to prevent them from saying they couldn’t be reached.

The crisis presented on CNN, MSNBC, and Fox seems to not be even close to what it actually looks like.

[Morkle]

For the record, I am against illegal immigration. But there are better ways to go about this - and the GOP has said as much recently that Trump as instructed them to not give Biden a win prior to elections in this area. Even though Graham stated a better deal won't be coming. So it's performative politics at best - when both parties could work to make the area better.

[Shyster]

It’s literally begging the fed to have a conflict right before election time.

That's exactly what the Rs/Texas wants. Imagine the spin. "Biden usurps states' rights to aid illegals!" "Biden seizes control of the national guard so that more illegals can freely cross the border!" "Biden welcomes rapists and drug dealers who are going to vote Democrat in November!" Fox News and their ilk are rooting for this to happen so hard they're probably jizzing in their pants.

Not true. Libertarians want this too. But then again, we just want to see government burn down.

[DigitalGypsy66]

Rep. Nancy Mace (R-S.C.), whom Haley endorsed in 2022 against a Trump-backed GOP challenger, threw her support behind Trump this week after coming to Washington in 2021 with declarations of becoming a “new voice” for the Republican Party.

Mace was so angry at Trump during the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol that she discussed with aides the prospect of confronting the rioters so she could get punched and become the face of anti-Trump Republicans, according to former staffers familiar with the incident, who spoke on the condition of anonymity out of fear of retribution.

Mace — who also declared to her staff during the riot that she was a “never-Trumper” — made the comments while she was hiding with staff in her office in the Cannon House building as they watched rioters march through the Capitol on television. If there was video of her challenging rioters on social media, it could give credence to her anti-Trump position, these people said of Mace’s thinking at the time. Staffers pushed back against their then-freshman boss, citing guidance from U.S. Capitol Police. Mace eventually set aside the idea, according to the people.

Asked for comment, Mace did not directly address the episode. “What you write doesn’t pass for real journalism,” Mace said.

https://wapo.st/491pnJj

[Gaucho]

[King Colby]

Who's he

[RonnieFranchise]

Rep. Nancy Mace (R-S.C.), whom Haley endorsed in 2022 against a Trump-backed GOP challenger, threw her support behind Trump this week after coming to Washington in 2021 with declarations of becoming a “new voice” for the Republican Party.

Mace was so angry at Trump during the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol that she discussed with aides the prospect of confronting the rioters so she could get punched and become the face of anti-Trump Republicans, according to former staffers familiar with the incident, who spoke on the condition of anonymity out of fear of retribution.

Mace — who also declared to her staff during the riot that she was a “never-Trumper” — made the comments while she was hiding with staff in her office in the Cannon House building as they watched rioters march through the Capitol on television. If there was video of her challenging rioters on social media, it could give credence to her anti-Trump position, these people said of Mace’s thinking at the time. Staffers pushed back against their then-freshman boss, citing guidance from U.S. Capitol Police. Mace eventually set aside the idea, according to the people.

Asked for comment, Mace did not directly address the episode. “What you write doesn’t pass for real journalism,” Mace said.

https://wapo.st/491pnJj

Probably just grabbed her by the *****

[AuthorTony]

More proof the Trump wing of the Rs don't really care about the border crisis and are just using it to score points:

Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah) on Thursday took aim at former President Trump for pushing Republican lawmakers to oppose a border deal so that he could use the issue to campaign against President Biden in the 2024 presidential election.

Romney told CNN’s Manu Raju he thought it was “really appalling” that Trump would try to prevent progress on addressing the surge in migration at the southern border.

“I think the border is a very important issue for Donald Trump,” Romney said. “And the fact that he would communicate to Republican senators and congresspeople that he doesn’t want us to solve the border problem because he wants to blame Biden for it is really appalling.”

“But the reality is that we have a crisis at the border, the American people are suffering as a result of what’s happening at the border, and someone running for president ought to try to get the problem solved as opposed to saying, ‘Hey, save that problem. Don’t solve it. Let me take credit for solving it later,’” Romney continued.

Romney’s remarks come after weeks of negotiations on a potential legislative package that addresses border security and provides funding for Ukraine and other allies. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and his allies have warned that Republicans are unlikely to get a similar deal at any other moment, even if Trump wins reelection.

But Trump’s influence looms large over the party, especially among House conservatives, and the prospects for getting the deal through Congress with sufficient GOP support looks increasingly unlikely.

Last week, Trump made his position clear on social media when he wrote, “I do not think we should do a Border Deal, at all, unless we get EVERYTHING needed to shut down the INVASION of Millions & Millions of people.”

McConnell on Wednesday floated the possibility of splitting the national security package, noting border security reforms now increasingly look unlikely to pass.

A source told The Hill on Wednesday that Senate Republicans who support the bill think the concessions extracted from Democrats would be “huge wins,” but that it’s becoming clear Trump opposes the package, which could prevent its passage in the GOP-controlled House.

“The Trump people want to kill it and run on the issue,” the Senate source familiar with internal GOP talks told The Hill Wednesday.