5AF's Premier College Football Thread: 2017-18 Pittsburgh Super Panthers Football Thread (and Basketball)

[Silentom]

Then why doesn't Kicksave have us all paying for 5AF?

would you pay for this

A couple bucks? Sure. I think I offered a donation back when the blues were dodinting about ad-free costs.

[slappybrown]

Matt S on pantherlair said candidate 1A (many think Miller) took a big hit last night and Lyke is uncomfortable with the hire. Will most likely be looking elsewhere. PL in meltdown. I don't know why some fans do this to themselves.

PL is at like defcon3 right now. Already has a fire Heather Lyke thread rolling strong

this is Pens down 3-1 in the playoffs against the Flyers level message board hysteria

[The U]

Watching the tournament is certainly eye opening. There is so much talent out there to be had. Not necessarily high level ACC type talent, but enough talent to not go 0-18.

There is certainly a lot of nuance to these blanket statements/comparisons but: Why does Loyola Chicago have a better big man than Pitt has had in a few years? How does UMBC seemingly have faster, quicker guards than Pitt? How do 12 and 13 seeds from non power 5 schools have better outside shooters and "go-to-guy" playmakers and finishers in the closing minutes of games than Pitt does? Houston and Nevada are recruiting better players than Pitt. Why?

I wonder how Pitt wants to build their program going forward. You aren't going to out-recruit the top tier ACC teams so what is your angle or advantage? Do you need a coach who can recruit just good enough to stay competitive? Do you need a coach who is primarily a recruiter and motivator to get the best out of B level talent? Do you need a guy with connections all over the country and world to bring in foreign players and kids from all over the US? Do you need a coach who has a known gimmick or scheme that gives other team's problems (WVU pressure D, Syracuse Zone,run-and-gun offense, etc...) no matter what type of recruits you have? It's tough and I'm not sure what the answer is. I think the only way to avoid being a middling ACC team is to bring in a coach that has superior Xs and Os skills or is an elite talent evaluator/recruiter with great connections.

What is Pitt's ACC ceiling? Finishing 4th or 5th in the standings and sneaking into the NCAA Tournament? Is Pitt hoping to live right there in the middle with Notre Dame, Clemson, Florida State, VaTech? Do you see any potential coach out there than can turn the program around and make them a top tier ACC team?

[slappybrown]

Someone suggested Mick Cronin, Cinci's coach, and I went to his wiki page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mick_Cronin_(basketball)

Michael Walter "Mick" "They're after me Lucky Charms" Cronin (born July 17, 1971[2]) is the current head coach of the Cincinnati Bearcats basketball team.

CHAMPIONSHIP

[willeyeam]

Then why doesn't Kicksave have us all paying for 5AF?

would you pay for this

A couple bucks? Sure. I think I offered a donation back when the blues were dodinting about ad-free costs.

I was kidding. I'd pay too. Especially if the premium board didn't have slappy or ned

[Silentom]

inb4 slappy calls us commies.

[slappybrown]

ulf continues his assault on american values by attempting to silence my speech

[slappybrown]

inb4 slappy calls us commies.

GOOD POST COMRADE

[slappybrown]

I would take Cronin if Hurley picks URI/UCONN and they decide not to take a run at Miller. He makes 2.2/year and has a 4.4mm buyout. His tournament record is poor -- one Sweet 16 trip since 06 with Cinci -- but someone tell me why this would be a bad hire.

[willeyeam]

I would take Cronin if Hurley picks URI/UCONN and they decide not to take a run at Miller. He makes 2.2/year and has a 4.4mm buyout. His tournament record is poor -- one Sweet 16 trip since 06 with Cinci -- but someone tell me why this would be a bad hire.

Would Cronin come here?

To answer your question it would be a good hire if you are yearning for the Ben Howland days of scoring 55 points a game

[dodint]

I'd pay something to have Pitt Basketball moved to its own cesspoo; err, thread.

[willeyeam]

ulf continues his assault on american values by attempting to silence my speech

Capitalism is very American

[slappybrown]

I would take Cronin if Hurley picks URI/UCONN and they decide not to take a run at Miller. He makes 2.2/year and has a 4.4mm buyout. His tournament record is poor -- one Sweet 16 trip since 06 with Cinci -- but someone tell me why this would be a bad hire.

Would Cronin come here?

To answer your question it would be a good hire if you are yearning for the Ben Howland days of scoring 55 points a game

Steinbrink said the offer to Hurley was over 3mm and other folks have said closer to 3.5mm. Seems like the offer was 5-6 years as well. If he's making 2.2 at Cinci in the AAC, I would imagine that a million dollar per year raise would get him. UConn supposedly offered Hurley less than Pitt did, so I doubt Cinci is outspending them.

Complaining about style is not a luxury they have right now imo. They need to win.

[Morkle]

The U asked it above - but I think I would be fine with Pitt having a coach that made B team players better and occasionally grabbed a top recruit.

They're never going to get ACC top-tier talent, but they don't need to. I do think they need a heavy focus on recruiting players that would be back-ups to the top tier guys, no idea how feasible...

[The U]

The U asked it above - but I think I would be fine with Pitt having a coach that made B team players better and occasionally grabbed a top recruit.

I tend to agree.

I think that is what you're going to get with Hurley, Oats, Willard, Cronin, Musselman, and guys of that caliber. Guys that can recruit the region "well enough" and coach well enough to finish mid-tier most years and once in a while when the pieces fall into place exceed expectations.

If Sean Miller can bring in elite recruits LEGALLY then hiring him would move the needle far more than any of the other names. I have my doubts about his Xs and Os but if he can bring in players on par with Duke and UNC then that is a game changer. Doesn't seem likely to happen but if not him any of the coaches listed above will be better than Stallings.

[columbia]

I’m willing to full yinzer and support the Miller idea.

[Joegap]

From what I've gathered is that Chancellor Gallagher is the one holding up the Miller idea.

[NAN]

From what I've gathered is that Chancellor Gallagher is the one holding up the Miller idea.

I skimmed through. Didn't Matt throw that theory out there, saying he has no idea, and now everyone is taking it as fact?

[willeyeam]

https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status ... 0880792577

Pitt has offered Dan Hurley a multi-year deal in excess of $3 million dollars annually to be its next head basketball coach, per multiple sources. UConn and URI still in play.

[willeyeam]

https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status ... 3544396800

The offers made to Dan Hurley by both UConn and Rhode Island are less monetarily than Pitt, but still very much in play, per multiple sources. Decision likely in next 24 hours.

[Dickie Dunn]

If Hurley goes to UConn I wish him nothing but the absolute worst.

[slappybrown]

$3.2mm is the number Pitt put on the table. That would make Hurley tied for the 10th highest paid coach in the NCAA, tied with Archie Miller at FÚCKING INDIANA.

[columbia]

They have to do something....they have 5 players left?

[willeyeam]

They have to do something....they have 5 players left?

My team is on the floor

[Dickie Dunn]

$3.2mm is the number Pitt put on the table. That would make Hurley tied for the 10th highest paid coach in the NCAA, tied with Archie Miller at FÚCKING INDIANA.

Would be second highest in the ACC behind Kruzwuski.

They have to do something....they have 5 players left?

They have 13 players left. The problem is that 9 of them have received permission to transfer if they feel so inclined.