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Postby Shyster » Fri Feb 02, 2018 6:45 pm

This could also go in the legal hubbub thread, but a Pennsylvania woman is suing Allegiant Air over injuries from severe turbulence on a Punta Cana-to-Pittsburgh flight:
A Pennsylvania woman who says she was among the injured when an Allegiant Air flight hit heavy turbulence over the Bahamas in 2016 on its way to Pittsburgh has sued the airline, saying the crew should have detected the turbulence and avoided it.
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The airline said at the time that the injuries were caused by "unreported moderate clear air turbulence. "

In her suit, Ms. Kuhn said the plane's radar should have detected the turbulence and avoided it. She also said the passengers should have been warned and were not.
http://www.post-gazette.com/news/transp ... 1802020191

:face: Turbulence doesn't show up on radar. Radar detects water, such as clouds, rain, or snow. Unless the turbulence is in connection with clouds, it's invisible to radar.

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Postby tifosi77 » Fri Feb 02, 2018 7:05 pm

Is there more to the complaint, or is the radar thing..... it?

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Postby NTP66 » Fri Feb 02, 2018 7:06 pm

My BS radar detected her BS quite easily.

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Postby Shyster » Fri Feb 02, 2018 7:52 pm

Is there more to the complaint, or is the radar thing..... it?
That's apparently it. I would say it's also apparent that the plaintiff's lawyer doesn't understand how radar works.

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Postby NTP66 » Fri Feb 02, 2018 7:54 pm

What a fool. Everyone knows that radar’s for the bleeps, the sweeps, and the creeps.

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Postby NTP66 » Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:15 am

https://twitter.com/TomPodolec/status/9 ... 7989748736

UA1175 lost an engine cowling and a blade en-route to HNL.

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Postby tifosi77 » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:47 pm

:shock:

We flew that exact flight last year when we went to HI for Mrs Tif's 50th.

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Postby NTP66 » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:53 pm

Speaking of eerie, many years ago, Mrs. NTP and I went on a helicopter tour around West Maui and Molokai. Sometime after, a friend of mine was asking for suggestions, and I told her that she should check out this very same tour. She bought tickets, but chickened out the day she was supposed to go. The helicopter crashed on Molokai, killing all on board.

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Postby tifosi77 » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:59 pm

YIKES!

Did the friend ultimately end up dying in a horrendously contrived and difficult to believe circumstance, seemingly out of the blue?

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Postby NTP66 » Wed Feb 14, 2018 2:07 pm

No, because Final Destination isn't real life. :)

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Postby tifosi77 » Wed Feb 14, 2018 2:09 pm

*whew*

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Postby Viva la Ben » Wed Feb 14, 2018 2:13 pm

I saw a few stories about a drone taxi in Dubai..Now the Chinese are doing it too.

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Postby shafnutz05 » Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:20 pm

Speaking of eerie, many years ago, Mrs. NTP and I went on a helicopter tour around West Maui and Molokai. Sometime after, a friend of mine was asking for suggestions, and I told her that she should check out this very same tour. She bought tickets, but chickened out the day she was supposed to go. The helicopter crashed on Molokai, killing all on board.
I am extremely leery of helicopter tours. I admit I have no idea what the numbers are, but helicopter accidents seem to happen all the time, especially the tour ones. In theory, I would love to do the helicopter ride from Vegas to the GC, but I'll likely pass if I ever get the chance.

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Postby tifosi77 » Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:22 pm

Helicopters are unnatural and should be avoided at almost all costs, imo.

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Postby shafnutz05 » Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:31 pm

Helicopters are unnatural and should be avoided at almost all costs, imo.
Oddly enough, even as I say I would never do it (again), my wife, daughter, and I did a helicopter tour at the Chester County Balloon Festival last fall. It was a breezy day, and suffice to say I have never felt more uncomfortable in an aircraft, to the point where I was closing my eyes and clenching my knees at times. And I am someone that is not remotely afraid of flying, in general. I was happy when it landed.

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Postby Freddy Rumsen » Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:36 pm

Y'all saw that there was a fatal helicopter accident at the Grand Canyon last week right?

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Postby NTP66 » Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:40 pm

The helicopter tour that we went on was extraordinary. Our pilot was telling us about the land when he rose above the end of trees onl to have us immediately looking down the tallest sea cliffs in the world. My wife was startled so much that she grabbed onto me, which I thought was hilarious. The views were breathtaking.

That said, we won’t be going on another helicopter - especially in the Grand Canyon. Choppers are dead weight if they have issues, whereas smaller planes can glide to safety.

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Postby tifosi77 » Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:43 pm

That's the old joke: A plane with a broken engine is a glider. A helicopter with a broken engine might as well be a refrigerator.

Don't talk to me about auto-rotation, and I'm not interested in seeing videos of pilots practicing that stuff. Helicoptery stuff is voodoo, and I'll have none of it.

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Postby Shyster » Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:46 pm

I think I saw this line on one of the aviation boards I read:

There are two types of helicopters. Those that have crashed, and those that haven't crashed yet.

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Postby Shyster » Wed Feb 14, 2018 6:01 pm

The An-148 crash near Moscow that killed 71 people is looking like a case of pilot/checklist error. The Russian investigators recovered the FDR almost immediately, and it shows that the pilots took off without turning on the heaters for the aircraft's Pitot-static system. Pitot tubes are sensors that provide an aircraft's airspeed and altitude. If they freeze up, not only do you not know how fast you're going, you don't know how high you are. Commercial aircraft usually have three Pitot-static systems; one feeds the captain's instruments, one feeds the first officer's instruments, and there's a third system than can be switched to if either of the two other systems fail. The FDR shows that the airspeed indicators started to diverge and give erroneous readings as soon as the aircraft started to climb through the clouds, which is when ice would have started to form on the unheated tubes. At one point one of the airspeed indicators was showing 0 km/h while another was showing 540–560 km/h. Without accurate airspeed and elevation information, the pilots lost situational awareness in the prevailing Instrument Meteorological Conditions (heavy clouds), stalled/lost control of the aircraft, and slammed it into the ground.

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Postby dodint » Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:42 am

https://gizmodo.com/this-could-be-the-f ... 823071652/

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Flimsy for a test case, but that's probably a good thing.

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Postby tifosi77 » Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:17 pm

Yeah, I wouldn't want to hang my, ahem, hat on that one.

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Postby tifosi77 » Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:21 pm

Interestingly, I've been involved with helping craft a drone policy for the office. We have several in place for dealing with unwanted photography from the ground or adjacent buildings, and how that's communicated to the public, but there isn't anything in place to address UAVs. Turns out, half of our campus is within the 5-mile exclusion range of SFO (including my building), and the other half is covered by the San Carlos airport. So technically, drone ops near our office have to be sanctioned by the FAA.

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Postby Freddy Rumsen » Sun Feb 18, 2018 7:15 am

Commercial plane crashes in southern Iran, killing 66 people
» https://t.co/NtFlu6gl5n https://t.co/zJlHAmgnaz

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Postby Shyster » Sun Feb 18, 2018 5:57 pm

Not much news to go on for the Aseman Airlines crash in Iran. It sounds like no mayday calls were made, so if it was a mechanical problem it likely happened quickly. The local terrain is mountainous and the weather was supposedly horrible with fog and snow, so those certainly could be factors for the incident. The ATR-72 is a good aircraft and is I believe the best-selling short-range commuter turboprop, but it does have a history of responding poorly to icing, and the weather sounds like it would have been conducive to icing. We'll have to see what the data and voice recorders say.

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