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Postby willeyeam » Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:35 pm

Oh I see. Not ground speed.

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Postby Willie Kool » Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:12 pm

Read that earlier. It’s a bit misleading because that’s not the ground speed. That would have broken the sound barrier if so.
801 mph is the ground speed. No sonic boom because the airspeed was still under the speed of sound.

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Postby tifosi77 » Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:37 pm

Safety issues at 800mph ground speed? Oh yeah. Planes aren’t meant to handle the stresses related to going that fast. They’d ease up on the throttle in that scenario, though, so it’s not something I’d be at all worried about.
There are no real safety issues inherent to that kind of ground speed. They could show 800 across the ground with an airspeed of 600 kts indicated, easily.

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Postby tifosi77 » Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:38 pm

That said, this looks fun


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Postby NTP66 » Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:38 pm

What WK said, I reversed it. Either way, you knew what I meant.

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Postby Freddy Rumsen » Sat Feb 23, 2019 3:35 pm

Authorities say a Boeing 767 cargo jetliner heading to Houston with three people aboard has crashed into a bay just east of the city.
https://t.co/ACwrNGz3L8

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Postby Shyster » Sat Feb 23, 2019 5:31 pm

AIrcraft was an Atlas Air 767 flying for Amazon.com as Prime Air. No survivors. It looks like the impact into the bay was fast and steep. There's nothing on the surface but an oil slick and floating bits of cardboard. Condolences to the families of those on board.

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Postby Freddy Rumsen » Sat Feb 23, 2019 6:44 pm

Incredible sight. Unfortunately the pilot of a plane taking off from Winter Haven Regional Airport died when it crashed into this house. But the trainee only has minor injuries and so does the 17-year-old pinned when the plane came through her bedroom.
https://t.co/2QQyGa3OQS

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Postby shafnutz05 » Sat Feb 23, 2019 7:14 pm

Incredible sight. Unfortunately the pilot of a plane taking off from Winter Haven Regional Airport died when it crashed into this house. But the trainee only has minor injuries and so does the 17-year-old pinned when the plane came through her bedroom.
https://t.co/2QQyGa3OQS
How in the hell could someone survive that?

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Postby willeyeam » Sat Feb 23, 2019 7:34 pm

Imagine just hanging in your room browsing 5af and a plane comes through the roof

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Postby tifosi77 » Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:04 pm

Donnie Darko

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Postby willeyeam » Sun Feb 24, 2019 9:09 am

Lol

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Postby RonnieFranchise » Sun Feb 24, 2019 9:32 am

Location of the Atlas crash is not far (5-10 mi) from a couple of our power plants and a long, long line of chemical plants and refineries. Tragic accident but could have been so much worse.

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Postby tifosi77 » Sun Feb 24, 2019 11:49 am

Re that Atlas crash..... one wonders if the crew were aware of their surroundings and deliberately augered the jet where they did knowing it was a bad aircraft.

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Postby tifosi77 » Sun Feb 24, 2019 2:26 pm

One of the channels I follow is Sierra Hotel Aeronautics (I actually own several of their t-shirts and schwag). They promoted this story earlier today:
On February 24, 1989; Flight 811 a Boeing 747–122 (N4713U) operated by United Airlines took off from Honolulu International Airport at 01:52 local time, with 337 passengers and 18 crew members on board. The flight crew consisted of Captain David Cronin, First Officer Gregory Slader, and Flight Engineer Randal Thomas.

During the climb, the crew made preparations to divert around some thunderstorm activity along the aircraft's track; anticipated turbulence the captain kept the passenger seatbelt sign lit. As the plane was passing though 22,000 feet , the flight crew heard a loud "thump" which shook the aircraft. A second and a half later, the forward cargo door blew off, swinging out with such force that it passed its normal stop and slammed into the side of the fuselage, bursting the fuselage open. Pressure differentials and aerodynamic forces caused the cabin floor to cave in, and ten seats (G and H of rows 8 through 12) were ejected from the cabin. All eight passengers seated in these locations were killed (seats 8G and 12G were unoccupied), as was the passenger in seat 9F. A flight attendant was almost blown out of the aircraft. Thankfully passengers and crew members saw her clinging to a seat leg and were able to pull her back inside the cabin.

The crew immediatly began an emergency descent, while performing a 180-degree back to Honolulu.

Debris ejected from the aircraft during the explosive decompression damaged the Number 3 and 4 engines. Engine 3 was experiencing heavy vibration, no N1 reading, and a low EGT and EPR, so the crew shut it down. At 02:20, an emergency was declared and the crew began dumping fuel to reduce the aircraft's landing weight. The N1 reading of engine number 4 continued to drop, with its EGT reading was high with visible flames, so they were forced to shut it down as well.

During the descent, Captain Cronin ordered Flight Engineer Thomas to tell the flight attendants to prepare for an emergency landing, but was unable to contact them through the intercom. He asked the captain for permission to go down to find out what was happening, and Cronin agreed. When the Engineer opened the cockpit door he saw; the aircraft's skin was peeled off in some areas on the upper deck, revealing the frames and stringers and a massive hole on the side of the feusalage. Thomas returned to the cockpit and reported what he saw, wrongly concluding that it was probably a bomb.

The crew, wary of the damage to their leading edges and additional drag of the stricken aircrafts' gaping hole decided to land well over standard touchdown speeds. As the aircraft neared the airport, the gear was dropped and partial flaps extended. Captain Cronin maintained 190–200 knots on the approach and touchdown, still managining to bring the plane to a halt, without overrunning the runway.

In all, 14 minutes had elapsed since the emergency was declared. All the remaining passengers and flight attendants exited the plane in less than 45 seconds.

Despite extensive air and sea searches, no remains were found at sea of the nine victims lost in flight.

Multiple small body fragments and pieces of clothing were found in the Number 3 engine, indicating that at least one victim ejected from the fuselage was ingested by the engine.

In 1989 the flight crew received the Secretary's Award for Heroism for their actions.
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Here's the bit that kind of has me questioning.
The aircraft was repaired, re-registered as N4724U in 1989, and returned to service with United Airlines in 1990.
Would you, as a passenger, feel safe flying in that aircraft if you had foreknowledge of its provenance?

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Postby NTP66 » Sun Feb 24, 2019 3:08 pm

HELL NO!

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Postby Freddy Rumsen » Sun Feb 24, 2019 3:25 pm

Talk about it being your time.

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Postby tifosi77 » Sun Feb 24, 2019 9:37 pm

HELL NO!
This was my initial reaction, but then I was like what are the odds a calamitous mishap would befall the same airframe twice?

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Postby NTP66 » Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:42 am

I keep the remote control in the same spot, sit in the same position, and nobody is allowed in the same room as me during the playoffs. I ain’t getting on **** plane that has already had its shell cracked open like an egg.

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Postby Shyster » Mon Feb 25, 2019 4:40 pm

Would you, as a passenger, feel safe flying in that aircraft if you had foreknowledge of its provenance?[/spoiler]
Sure. That aircraft is going to go through the equivalent of a full D check as part of the reconstruction, and it might even receive upgrades as part of the process. It probably would have come out of the process as the safest 747-100 still flying (the -100 models were all pretty darn old by that point.)

That aircraft kept flying for United until 1997, when it was sold to the brief-lived African airline Air Dabia, which flew it for a year or two. It was sold when that airline went under, and after bouncing around through a couple other owners it ended up basically abandoned at Plattsburgh airport in New York, where it was scrapped around 2003. So the next time you pop open a can of Coke or the like, you could be drinking out of the former serial number 19875.

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Postby NTP66 » Wed Feb 27, 2019 12:58 pm

BA flight 492 diverted from London to Malaga due to strong winds:


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Postby shafnutz05 » Wed Feb 27, 2019 1:08 pm

BA flight 492 diverted from London to Malaga due to strong winds:

OMG

Big kudos to the pilots.

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Postby MR25 » Wed Feb 27, 2019 1:09 pm

I watched 5 seconds and had enough of that.

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Postby NTP66 » Wed Feb 27, 2019 1:09 pm

They were just making the plane wave to the beach goers on the ground...

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Postby Shyster » Wed Feb 27, 2019 8:16 pm

Mentor Pilot explaining what was going on for the BA go-around at Gibraltar. The aircraft encountered "rotor turbulence" that is caused by wind blowing over the Rock of Gibraltar.



As some random trivia, the Gibraltar airport has a four-lane road running right across the middle of the runway. They have to shut down the road for aircraft to land and take off:


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