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Postby shafnutz05 » Thu Sep 27, 2018 12:33 pm

I like what Phelps is saying so far but at the end of the day, the ownership hasn't changed.

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Postby dodint » Sat Sep 29, 2018 3:00 pm

Things going well at the CMP Roval:

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Postby Freddy Rumsen » Sat Sep 29, 2018 4:28 pm

I was watching Dale Jr., who is a company man, talk about the Roval and he was using every euphamism of terrible.

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Postby dodint » Sat Sep 29, 2018 4:37 pm

It's been surprisingly civil. I have it on in the background while I do homework and until the third stage it was pretty quiet. They're using local yellows (blues in roundy-round racing) instead of FCY for small incidents and that has kept things moving. And is a level of maturity I didn't think NASCAR was capable of.

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Postby relantel » Thu Oct 11, 2018 1:51 pm

Johnson and Knaus to part ways after 2018. Meendering to join Johnson, and Knaus to go to the 24 with William Byron.

And the first woman to win in the K&N Pro Series West (successor to what was once the Winston West series) - Hailie Deegan at age 17. Moved her teammate out of the way on the last lap to win.

And in exciting news - busch/trucks could be coming back to Nashville Fairgrounds.

https://nascar.nbcsports.com/2018/10/11 ... irgrounds/

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Postby dodint » Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:30 am

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Postby CBear3 » Tue Apr 09, 2019 10:06 am

It is un-freaking believable how the sport has fallen.

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Postby dodint » Tue Apr 09, 2019 10:23 am

I don't pay very close attention but I understand that the 'new' owner of that track came in and tripled the prices for tickets. The average NASCAR fan in Tennessee has a pretty price sensitive budget. So when they priced them out, and the DVR/HDTV came along at the same time the incentive to go to the track diminished significantly. That's not even taking into account how the on-track entertainment is crap.

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Postby shafnutz05 » Tue Apr 09, 2019 12:18 pm

That is incredibly depressing. I really started to get into NASCAR around 2000 and man, those felt like the golden years (at least in comparison to now). Bristol used to be impossible to get a ticket to. Of course, they've also repaved the track over the years so the days of constant bumping are over. Now, it's basically a two groove track.

But wow...that is staggeringly bad.

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Postby Freddy Rumsen » Tue Apr 09, 2019 1:43 pm

There is not near enough comprehended about how awful the post Papa France NASCAR era has been.

It started with building tracks in areas that didn't care about NASCAR and building boring cookie cutter tracks at that.

Then they ran out the Rednecks in favor of the tea and crumpet crowd.

Lastly and certainly not least they ruined the car permanently with the Car of Tomorrow, making it not only too expensive for the one car operations but functionally turning it from a stock car series into an IROC event.

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Postby shafnutz05 » Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:22 am

I was on a nostalgia trip last night watching old NASCAR clips from '98-'04...man, that was the (modern) golden era of NASCAR. I never missed a race during that time. Even the first few years of the Chase were fun, until they completely ruined it.

On another note, it has been over eight years since Trevor Bayne won the Daytona 500. Holy sht.

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Postby iamjs » Mon Sep 09, 2019 12:42 pm

TIL that country singer Marty Robbins drove part time for NASCAR and had six top 10 finishes in 35 races. He once openly admitted to cheating in a race by knocking out the restrictor plate on his car. Why did he do it?

"just wanted to see what it was like to run up front for once."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marty_Robbins#NASCAR

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Postby shafnutz05 » Mon Sep 09, 2019 1:04 pm

TIL that country singer Marty Robbins drove part time for NASCAR and had six top 10 finishes in 35 races. He once openly admitted to cheating in a race by knocking out the restrictor plate on his car. Why did he do it?

"just wanted to see what it was like to run up front for once."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marty_Robbins#NASCAR
Not only that, but Marty Robbins is widely credited with saving the life of Richard Childress during the 1974 Charlotte 500.
It was no laughing matter though on October 6, 1974 during the Charlotte 500 when Richard Childress and three other drivers wrecked along the front straightaway on the 2nd lap of the race. Marty Robbins turned his purple and lime green #42 Dodge onto the straightaway doing 160 mph and was shocked to find four cars completely blocking the race track with nowhere for Marty to go.

As a musician and performer, Marty Robbins had to earn the respect of the NASCAR world. In 1974, if you wanted to show your mustard to the other drivers, one of the things you could do is work on your own race car. “Sure, Marty works on his car,” Richard Childress once told reporters. “Just the other day I saw him walking around with a can of wax getting ready to shine her up.” But how Marty would handle himself, barreling down on the side panel of Childress’s wrecked car in the middle of the Charlotte Speedway straightaway would earn Marty Robbins all the respect he would ever need from his NASCAR driving peers.

“The only thing I knew was that there were people in those wrecked cars in front of me and I couldn’t hit one of them because they’d probably not walk away from it,” Marty explains. So what did he do? “I looked down the track and saw Marty coming right at me,” Richard Childress recalls. “I knew if he hit me in the driver’s side I’d either be mangled badly or killed. There was no way of me escaping injury and no way out of his path. Then I saw something I am still not sure I can believe. Marty turned the wheel of the car right and it veered into the concrete wall.”

Marty Robbins’ car after hitting the wall
With a split second to make a decision, Marty Robbins decided to risk his own life by plowing 160 mph into a concrete wall instead of plowing into the pile of cars. The crowd fell into a hush for a full minute until finally Marty Robbins could be seen emerging from the mangled #42 Dodge. The crowd let out a roar as Marty boarded a stretcher from an ambulance and was taken to the infield care center. He was later transferred to the Charlotte Memorial Hospital where he received 32 stitches to close a gash between his eyes (see picture above). He also suffered two broken ribs and a broken tailbone.

After the race, a NASCAR official was quoted saying, “What he (Marty) did out there today saved at least one life and probably kept some other drivers from being maimed. He could have killed himself moving into that wall that way. But in the split second that counted he chose to possibly give his life over hurting somebody else. I don’t think you can be much more of a man than that.”

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Postby relantel » Wed Nov 13, 2019 1:16 pm

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I hadn't seen that particular Marty Robbins story before. And I thought I had been pretty familiar with his racing career.

Guys like him wouldn't be possible today. Not with the charter system, and slimmed fields. Daytona used to be fun, when the qualifying races could mean someone pretty high up could DNQ if they had a bad qual race. But it was such a scenario that led NASCAR to the guaranteed field system, when cars in the 20s in the points failed to qualify at a plate track. Think Johnny Benson was one of the DNQs at 26th in the points. Back then, you could come in and make the race if you were fast. But post-charter, now you could have qualified 5th and miss the race if you didn't have one of those charters. Although the story I remember may have been in between the top 35 rule and the charter system, where I think that actually happened to A J Allmendinger, who qualified 9th on speed but missed a race. (2007 fall Talladega). Long gone are the days where 57 cars show up for a race (2005 Daytona 500).

Just like the Dale Jarrett spin at Richmond (2003 maybe) led to the freeze-the-field rule instead of racing back to the line. Now we get that "who was ahead" judgment call.

Just a couple of areas where the rules meant to solve a perceived problem made things worse. Through in the COT, and it's been a disaster.

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Postby relantel » Wed Nov 13, 2019 3:57 pm

Here's that Talladega race back in 07, which is after the top 35 rule was in place:

https://www.racing-reference.info/getqualify/2007-30/W

All of the go-or-go-home drivers entered would have made the old-style top 36 on speed. Leaving some big names on the outside looking in. Was probably one of those impound races back then, that because of the top 35 rule, those guaranteed focused on race setup.

Looks like fall Atlanta in 2004 was the cause race for the top-35 rule. Scott Wimmer in the 22 (27th) and Scott Riggs in the 10 (29th) were some of those in the high 20s in points that DNQ'd. IIRC, it was 38 on speed, four provisionals and a past champion's provisional at that time. And drivers higher in the points needed the provisionals. 8, 20, 21, 24 and 26 in the final driver standings. So 27th was out of luck.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Bass ... s_MBNA_500

https://www.crash.net/nascar/results/89 ... s-mbna-500
(though this link has a typo - J. J. Yeley ran the 11 that year)

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Postby shafnutz05 » Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:38 am

Yup...NASCAR just isn't fun anymore.

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Postby CBear3 » Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:07 am

In case you haven't noticed, and judging by ratings you haven't, Kyle Busch won his second Cup title.

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Postby Freddy Rumsen » Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:52 am

The Truck championship winner won without winning a race.

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Postby CBear3 » Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:28 am

The Truck championship winner won without winning a race.
OMG! Quick, Change the format again!!!!

ETA: Holy cripes. Crafton only lead 54 laps all stinking year, 13th most in the series.

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Postby Freddy Rumsen » Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:47 am

It's a joke.

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Postby shafnutz05 » Mon Nov 18, 2019 12:22 pm

In case you haven't noticed, and judging by ratings you haven't, Kyle Busch won his second Cup title.
I actually enjoyed NASCAR back during the early Chase days, because it was still very points-heavy at that time. They have completely destroyed the sport with this absurd playoff nonsense....auto racing is not a sport like football where this format can be applied. Once they went the way of having one race at the end of the season determine the champion every year, I was done. It cheapens the hell out of the NASCAR championship.

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Postby shafnutz05 » Mon Nov 18, 2019 12:25 pm

I have repeated this point ad nauseam, but I hate that a driver can literally lead every single lap of an entire season except the last lap at Homestead and lose. NASCAR's points system was enjoyable to me, even in the seasons where someone ran away with the title. At least it felt like it was well-earned.

From Jayski:
Last Sunday’s NASCAR Cup Series playoff race from Texas averaged a 1.4 rating and 2.20 million viewers on NBCSN, marking the smallest audience in the 15-year history of the race (excluding rainouts).
Last Sunday’s NASCAR Cup Series playoff race from Phoenix averaged a 1.6 rating and 2.57 million viewers on NBC, marking the lowest rated Cup Series race on broadcast television since at least 2000 and the least-watched since at least 2001 (excluding rainouts).

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Postby relantel » Tue Nov 19, 2019 2:40 pm

I saw some of the closing laps of the Saturday race conclusion, with Reddick going back to back. But saw none of the Cup race.

Was kind of surprised that someone beat Gibbs on Saturday. And not surprised the Gibbs won on Sunday. They've been the dominant team in NASCAR the last several years.

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Postby iamjs » Thu Nov 21, 2019 12:19 pm

I didn't realize how dead this thread was until now. I had to do a doubletake when I saw the Jimmie Johnson/Knaus news... and then realized that news was from 2018. Speaking of Jimmie, he announced that next year will be his final season. One of the few drivers that I remember from when I first started following NASCAR.

https://www.nascar.com/news-media/2019/ ... on-nascar/

Looking at this page, we had 18 posts during the 2019 season.

Seven of the posts were made after the final race.
Three of the posts were about Marty Robbins' NASCAR career.

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Postby CBear3 » Thu Nov 21, 2019 12:30 pm

It's not the playoffs, people aren't watching when the races do matter. Is it driver retirements? No Gordon/Stewart/Jr? Is it the racing that's worse? I can't imagine that, as I watched 150k people show up to see Dale Jarrett put a lap on everybody at Michigan one year.

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