The position in each sport you most admire or respect

[meow]

Are there fancy stats for futbol?

[slappybrown]

Yes

[MalkinIsMyHomeboy]

mikey, please warn slappy about any possible triggers before posting. Thank you.

[tifosi77]

What is a good soccer goalie save percentage? 50%?

I don't know that SV% is a very useful stat in soccer; there are so many variables at play determining the number and quality of shots a team concedes.

So...exactly like hockey.

Not even a little bit.

[slappybrown]

youre a strange little elf mimh

[columbia]

Take it to the stats thread.

[meow]

What is a good soccer goalie save percentage? 50%?

I don't know that SV% is a very useful stat in soccer; there are so many variables at play determining the number and quality of shots a team concedes.

So...exactly like hockey.

Not even a little bit.

What is the difference?

Not triggering.

I'll hang up and listen.

[shmenguin]

I was a soccer goalie as well. lol. What's even more intense is indoor soccer goalie. Holy pain. People kicking small-ish soccer balls as hard as they can at you from 5 feet away.

i broke a kid's hand with a shot in indoor. a few weeks later i guess the word spread and i had a volley teed up from about 15 feet from the goal. the goalie let out an audible shriek and stepped out of the goal. of course my mind couldn't reconcile everything that was happening, so i completely whiffed - so bad that i tweaked my knee.

[slappybrown]

indoor soccer is so much fun

[MalkinIsMyHomeboy]

A Tyler Kennedy 40 mph wrister from the far boards is the same as a Rooney turd shot from 40 yards out. Both count towards saves and sv % but neither were "quality shots"

I'd say they're pretty equivalent

[Nuge]

Offensive line in general. Center is a good call, but being an offensive tackle would be extremely difficult. Being able to pass block a defensive end/pass rush specialist or blitzing linebacker and also have the ability to effectively run block a defensive lineman would require a high level of athleticism.

[slappybrown]

A Tyler Kennedy 40 mph wrister from the far boards is the same as a Rooney turd shot from 40 yards out. Both count towards saves and sv % but neither were "quality shots"

I'd say they're pretty equivalent

good god

[MalkinIsMyHomeboy]

also, I just realized that all team sports have a position with center in the name

don't know why but I find that to be a mindf*ck

[Gaucho]

Save percentage is not even a thing in soccer.

[count2infinity]

I was a soccer goalie as well. lol. What's even more intense is indoor soccer goalie. Holy pain. People kicking small-ish soccer balls as hard as they can at you from 5 feet away.

i broke a kid's hand with a shot in indoor. a few weeks later i guess the word spread and i had a volley teed up from about 15 feet from the goal. the goalie let out an audible shriek and stepped out of the goal. of course my mind couldn't reconcile everything that was happening, so i completely whiffed - so bad that i tweaked my knee.

I broke at least one finger per indoor season. It's just inevitable... especially with the balls we played with. They were small and weirdly under inflated at all times and just in general terrible.

[slappybrown]

Save percentage is not even a thing in soccer.

MIMH just told you they're the same you dope smarten up

[shmenguin]

indoor soccer is so much fun

yeah...about 90% of the best memories from my childhood took place at my local indoor place. i wasn't really very fast and didn't gel very well with the chess match of 11 v 11. indoor was a dream come true. i could just make simple decisions and blast shots the whole game.

[Jim]

I was a soccer goalie as well. lol. What's even more intense is indoor soccer goalie. Holy pain. People kicking small-ish soccer balls as hard as they can at you from 5 feet away.

i broke a kid's hand with a shot in indoor. a few weeks later i guess the word spread and i had a volley teed up from about 15 feet from the goal. the goalie let out an audible shriek and stepped out of the goal. of course my mind couldn't reconcile everything that was happening, so i completely whiffed - so bad that i tweaked my knee.

Bennett sprained a finger just reading that.

[MalkinIsMyHomeboy]

Save percentage is not even a thing in soccer.

MIMH just told you they're the same you dope smarten up

you completely misunderstood my point if you think I said soccer and hockey save percentages were the same thing

[count2infinity]

Save percentage is not even a thing in soccer.

MIMH just told you they're the same you dope smarten up

you completely misunderstood my point if you think I said soccer and hockey save percentages were the same thing

yeah slappy... the point is Tyler Kennedy = Wayne Rooney. Pay attention.

[Gaucho]

also, I just realized that all team sports have a position with center in the name

don't know why but I find that to be a mindf*ck

Cricket. Ha!

[tifosi77]

What is the difference?

Not triggering.

I'll hang up and listen.

Soccer keeps are much more involved with the overall team defense - setting alignments on free kicks, calling out formation changes, etc - yet are otherwise largely static. (That's not to say that hockey goalies aren't involved, just that soccer keeps have a greater responsibility in this area) Hockey goalies are much more physically active through a game. Soccer goalies are more at the whim of the shooter when a free shot opens up, hockey goalies have the advantage of being nearly the same size as the goal they're defending. (Look at the differences in conversion % on each sport's penalty shots/kicks, for example) The puck is moving considerably faster than the hardest struck ball will ever be, but the area a soccer goalie is covering is the size of a living room.

They just aren't relatable in any meaningful way.

[MalkinIsMyHomeboy]

Save percentage is not even a thing in soccer.

MIMH just told you they're the same you dope smarten up

you completely misunderstood my point if you think I said soccer and hockey save percentages were the same thing

yeah slappy... the point is Tyler Kennedy = Wayne Rooney. Pay attention.

yeah, that's disrespectful towards TK

[mikey]

What is the difference?

Not triggering.

I'll hang up and listen.

Soccer keeps are much more involved with the overall team defense - setting alignments on free kicks, calling out formation changes, etc - yet are otherwise largely static. (That's not to say that hockey goalies aren't involved, just that soccer keeps have a greater responsibility in this area) Hockey goalies are much more physically active through a game. Soccer goalies are more at the whim of the shooter when a free shot opens up, hockey goalies have the advantage of being nearly the same size as the goal they're defending. (Look at the differences in conversion % on each sport's penalty shots/kicks, for example) The puck is moving considerably faster than the hardest struck ball will ever be, but the area a soccer goalie is covering is the size of a living room.

They just aren't relatable in any meaningful way.

I think meow and I both took it as "it's highly related to shot quality, shooter, [other factors]" in addition to goaltender capability...I don't think the positions themselves are similar in almost any way...but the save pct., as you described it, is highly dependent on other things in soccer, as it is in hockey...

[tifosi77]

Not to the same degree. Not even comparable.

A soccer goalkeeper on a top team might go several consecutive games without facing a single shot. I think Gaucho pointed out last year that if every shot Bayern Munich had conceded went in, they still would have won the Bundesliga title.

There may be multiple factors that go into a stat for both positions, but the overall impact of those factors differ so much from sport to sport that you just can't compare the two with any measure of similarity.