What is the role of prison in our society?
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 7:28 pm
Define "hard".Hard drugs should never be legal.
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Define "hard".Hard drugs should never be legal.
I believe so. You're more likely to be killed by a cop... or a jelly fish, for that matter (if I recall correctly) than a "terrorist".Wasn't there another data point along those lines.............. since 9/11 cops have killed more Americans than terrorists? Something like that.
Unless they were administered drugs against their will, the choice to start taking drugs in the first place was voluntary. The best way to not become a drug addict is to never do drugs in the first place.^^Do you concern yourself with the societal cost of addiction? I don't view selling heroin or cocaine as victimless. The victim is the person who is a slave to their addiction and to their dealer.
Which is likely only on the street due to drugs being illegal.Based on the shootings within five blocks of my house, I'm more likely to be shot by a teenager with an illegal gun.
Indeed.Which is likely only on the street due to drugs being illegal.Based on the shootings within five blocks of my house, I'm more likely to be shot by a teenager with an illegal gun.
1971the "War on Drugs" (tm) since 198-something
Viagra. Ohhhhhhh!!Define "hard".Hard drugs should never be legal.
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Adam-12 was a good show.
I'm for legalizing everything. The only reservation I have is that I want no tax payer money for "rehabilitation". You want to use , drink. shoot up whatever don't look for people to help you out if you later want to change. There will be deaths but it's self-imposed. I even object to a trecent Pa. Wolf initiative to provide some kind of anti-overdose drug for state cops and EMS people fto savw junkies. Sounds harsh but if your'e dumb enough to use smack you should be on your own. The war on drugs is a total loser and obviously teens and other will use regardless of government limitations. But I don't think we can incur the legal costs or should incur the medical costs for those that mess themselves up.Indeed.Which is likely only on the street due to drugs being illegal.Based on the shootings within five blocks of my house, I'm more likely to be shot by a teenager with an illegal gun.
100% this.Honestly if we are going to have long-term prisons (which I do not really like) they should only be for violent, capital crimes (murder, rape, and Aggravated Assault).
Everything else should be Restorative (Eye for an Eye, in the non-literal sense of that).
Getting drug syndicates out of the game should be reason enough to legalize. How many people each year are killed or enslaved or raped or whatever else because such criminals are as powerful as they are ruthless. Administer drugs to registered users at clinics. Stores are kinda iffy with me. We can't have people walk around or drive while high, so smart rules have to be put in place before legalization. One would think the government would be happy to get tax money off it, but politicians can't appear as drug pushers or they don't get elected.Yeah I guess that makes sense. Also less chance of crime, robberies, murders etc. You would really kill the drug game for the cartel especially if you could do this.
Watching Lost for Life now, I hate these people. No excuse after watching the video
That and Emergency! were my favorite shows when I was little. When I first moved to LA, I was excited to get an apartment in the Rampart area because of the connection to those shows. Then I found out what a gang-infested sh!thole Rampart was and I was sad.Adam-12 was a good show.
what, in your opinion, is the point of decriminalization?Im shocked that you miss the point of decriminalizing it. Shocked i tell you!
Prisons are a HUGE business and many people are getting extremely wealthy off of locking up small time drug dealers. Also, don't underestimate how many "legit" businesses are raking in huge profits from the drugs trade. It's from the top down. The reason drugs aren't legal are because too many power players owe their financial lives to illegal drugs.One would think the government would be happy to get tax money off it, but politicians can't appear as drug pushers or they don't get elected.
Another issues is that prisons make money. I watched some documentary that mentioned the state of Texas would go bankrupt if not for business made through prison workers. There is a whole lot of political mambo jumbo involved.
Technically speaking, crime will be drastically reduced after legalization. Between 2001 and 2013 over half the people in federal prisons for sentences of greater than 1 year were serving a drug-related conviction. That number is a little below 20% for state offenders. Roughly a quarter of all people on probation have a drug conviction as their most serious offense. After decriminalization, none of those people would be in criminal justice system at all. (Well....... the vast majority of them, probably.)But yeah...I'm just saying it's not that easy to tell if crime will decrease because of legalization
Depends on the prison. R&R at a minimum security, white collar resort prison. Or is it a federal pound me in the a** prison?
Are we talking about pot or hard drugs?Technically speaking, crime will be drastically reduced after legalization. Between 2001 and 2013 over half the people in federal prisons for sentences of greater than 1 year were serving a drug-related conviction. That number is a little below 20% for state offenders. Roughly a quarter of all people on probation have a drug conviction as their most serious offense. After decriminalization, none of those people would be in criminal justice system at all. (Well....... the vast majority of them, probably.)But yeah...I'm just saying it's not that easy to tell if crime will decrease because of legalization
Do you think that legalization will lead to an increase in other violent or property crimes? Because in the few jurisdictions where decriminalization has been implemented, that simply doesn't bear out. There's a brief spike in use for a year or two as people test the waters, so to speak. But long term evidence show use tends to drop off, and drop off fairly dramatically the longer the time scale.