I need a ruling on this

[LeopardLetang]

hmm. so if you want to make a left from the other side of a 4 way boulevard with a center lane it's illegal to pull across 2 lanes and into the center lane and then wait with your right blinker on? I'd belive it since it can be very dangerous

[willeyeam]

Oh everyone does it. But I'm just guessing by letter of the law it'd be the same as the guy making a left turn without stopping and merging and pulling out in front of you, in our example

[LeopardLetang]

haha i edited. if it's 2 lanes of traffic forcing you to settle for the center lane then you can't predict someone won't be turning into that lane

[tifosi77]

I would think Turn Lane Guy has heightened responsibility because he's technically joining traffic, right? I don't think his merge is regarded the same as yours; would he just be regarded as a left-hand turn?

Be that as it may, that's super common practice here. People making left hand turns on to super busy blvds from non-controlled intersections, but they can only cross the nearest lanes of traffic, so they just post up in the center turning lane until they can merge and complete the turn.* If I go out running errands, I'll reliably see that happen at least 2x.




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EB car approaches cross street that has 5 lanes of traffic (2 each NB and SB, +center turning lane); he stops at the stop sign to prepare to make a left turn NB onto the cross street. There's a gap in the near SB traffic, so guy turns left across those lanes, and pulls up and stops in the turning lane facing NB. When a gap opens up in the NB traffic he merges to complete the turn and heads off NB.

These half-turns are usually done without any regard for the cross traffic in the desired direction of travel. So from the example, if you're one of the cars headed NB, you will have to deal with someone breaking out on your left and speed merging into the turn lane alongside you, and you just have to sort of trust that's all they're planning on doing. 99% of the time it works every time. But I've seen a couple instances where best intentions did not yield favorable outcomes.

[tifosi77]

Edit: I did not see subsequent replies prior to posting, haha

[LeopardLetang]

I would think Turn Lane Guy has heightened responsibility because he's technically joining traffic, right? I don't think his merge is regarded the same as yours; would he just be regarded as a left-hand turn?

Be that as it may, that's super common practice here. People making left hand turns on to super busy blvds from non-controlled intersections, but they can only cross the nearest lanes of traffic, so they just post up in the center turning lane until they can merge and complete the turn.* If I go out running errands, I'll reliably see that happen at least 2x.




*

EB car approaches cross street that has 5 lanes of traffic (2 each NB and SB, +center turning lane); he stops at the stop sign to prepare to make a left turn NB onto the cross street. There's a gap in the near SB traffic, so guy turns left across those lanes, and pulls up and stops in the turning lane facing NB. When a gap opens up in the NB traffic he merges to complete the turn and heads off NB.

These half-turns are usually done without any regard for the cross traffic in the desired direction of travel. So from the example, if you're one of the cars headed NB, you will have to deal with someone breaking out on your left and speed merging into the turn lane alongside you, and you just have to sort of trust that's all they're planning on doing. 99% of the time it works every time. But I've seen a couple instances where best intentions did not yield favorable outcomes.

lol i thought about going through all of that preamble to try for clarity

[CBear3]

I believe it's legal to turn into the middle lane, but you can't travel down the middle lane. So turn into it and stop. Then when clear merge into traffic.

What you're describing is no different than moving from the left lane to the right while a car is trying to merge coming up the on ramp. It's his responsibility to do so safely, but your actions made his life more difficult then it needed to be.

[AuthorTony]

To hijack this.

Yesterday I was picking up groceries at Walmart. They have two rows of spots to park and wait. After my order was loaded up, I was backing out. Simultaneously, a guy in the row behind be backed out. I'm thinking we were both in the other's blind spot. It wasn't super close before I saw him and stopped, but if we'd have hit, how would fault have been determined?

[robbiestoupe]

To hijack this.

Yesterday I was picking up groceries at Walmart. They have two rows of spots to park and wait. After my order was loaded up, I was backing out. Simultaneously, a guy in the row behind be backed out. I'm thinking we were both in the other's blind spot. It wasn't super close before I saw him and stopped, but if we'd have hit, how would fault have been determined?

This happened to me about 4 years ago and we did hit. Neither of us had much damage so we didn't take any info. Later I noticed a small dent in our tailgate, but purely cosmetic.

I'd have to assume you'd both be at fault in this situation.

[tifosi77]

That sounds like 50-50 without knowing other things like cross traffic, lane markings, etc.

[Troy Loney]

I left an unopened pack of chicken sausage on the counter overnight last night.

Okay to cook and eat, or do I throw out?

[dodint]

Cook it to an internal temperature of at least 140F and then chow down.

[mikey]

Might be fine, but not worth it for me...

[Morkle]

I would absolutely throw it out. Nothing is worth getting salmonella or even risking it.

[dodint]

Well, there you go. The panel is split 1-1-1. Enjoy.

[meow]

Was it precooked?

I say throw it out, but if it was precooked….I might think about it

[AuthorTony]

What's the temp in your house? Was it frozen?

[dodint]

I was assuming it was precooked and frozen the night before. My wife likes that kind of chicken sausages as easy dinner meals.
The sausages would have had to be thawed for over four hours to even start becoming a hazard.
I did check and 150F is better for salmonella.

[Lemon Berry Lobster]

If it was between 40 and 140 F for longer than 4 hours it belongs in the trash.

[mikey]

I assumed it was not frozen. Otherwise, he would have said, "hey, I thawed out some chicken sausage and plan to enjoy it later. Just thought you should know."

[Troy Loney]

Precooked.

House was probably 70

[nocera]

Chicken sausage ain't worth the risk.

[Troy Loney]

Google says throw it out.

Just threw it away

[dodint]

But there are starving Uyghurs in China.

[mikey]

Not for long...