Politics And Current Events

[MWB]

A Constitutional Convention certainly wouldn’t be a bad idea. No changes would ever happen though.

[redwill]

This is an internet message board. Don't bring reality into it.

[MalkinIsMyHomeboy]

I'd like to think about what it would look like if you dropped MTG into the 1787 Constitutional Convention. Makes for some good comedy

[Pavel Bure]

I'd like to think about what it would look like if you dropped MTG into the 1787 Constitutional Convention. Makes for some good comedy

Who is this beastly woman? She doesn’t have the usual musk of those in ye olde whore house. Surely she doesn’t think her place is to tell men what to do…

Good sir, I must protest. She appeared out of no where. Clearly she is a witch. Burn her!

[nocera]

[Viva la Ben]

Confidently wrong

[shafnutz05]

I'm still trying to figure out how Shapiro is on the radio. How does anyone understand him over AM airwaves?

[tifosi77]

From a political science perspective, has the theory of why the founding fathers agreed on the Connecticut Compromise (what led to the House being population driven and the Senate being bicarmel) really changed since 1787?

That's an interesting question. My answer would be that it certainly has. I really don't see the US as a collection of virtually autonomous states anymore, as they certainly did back then. Except for Hamilton. (@Shyster trigger.)

The US has evolved for better and for worse into being just America. To me, the state divisions are almost entirely for administrative purposes anymore. Is it really about "local control"? Should it be?

I mean, are the interests of Pennsylvania and Wisconsin and Alaska and Kansas really that different anymore? I would argue "no."

Hmm. You've got me thinking about that.

The political science theory was that states were independent sovereign entities forming a loose coalition for protection and monetary policy. If 1 person = 1 vote, the less populace sovereign entities would lose it's self determination to places like PA or Virginia. It was created purely for the States Rights crowd.

Unfortunately for Libertarians, the Union winning the Civil War and the resulting need for Federal action to protect recently freed persons pretty well squashed the idea that each State held any measurable power over themselves when considered part of the whole. So the need for Senators to protect their State's sovereign rights hasn't really existed for the last 150 years. They may vote in a way so as to win state wide election, but the only difference between a House seat or a Senate seat is the amount of people included in the vote, not in some high ideal of State's rights.

1) I completely agree with the responses. The novel concept of (insert number) of largely independent sovereigns operating to common cause really isn't representative of the country any longer, outside of a very few issues. Certainly not enough to make the rest of its operation beholden to those considerations.

2) And also +2 to the Shyster trigger.

[tifosi77]

Desantis is a party man, and the party is going to have to cave and go fully behind Trump in 2024 because Trump's not going to do what's in the best interest of the party here and bow out.

Outside of Florida, one of the big takeaways from Tuesday imo was the widespread rejection of Florida as an organizing model. Desantis is a savvy operator, and knows what way the bread is buttered. Gavin Newsom in CA recently took out the veto pen to a few measures that had broad capital D Democratic support in the state, because 'reasons' (e.g. he can tell a national audience that he 'made hard decisions' and rejected California's wanton California-ness); Desantis is in sort of a similar boat now more than ever. He may have wanted to forestall a 2024 POTUS bid to avoid confrontation with Trump, but now I'm not so sure that's something to fear, and putting it off might turn him into 2012 Chris Christie.

[tifosi77]

I'd also say that cultural identity has changed along with it. Virginians no longer think of themselves as Virginians first, Americans second. In fact, the only state level identity I hear touted is which State Institution's Sportsball Team a person pledges allegiance to.

Haha. I almost added that the only divisions that matter between states seem to be college football rivalries.

Outside of former rebel states, where do residents routinely fly their state flag? It's really common here in CA, but elsewhere? Honestly don't know, maybe I need to get out more.

[tifosi77]

I'd like to think about what it would look like if you dropped MTG into the 1787 Constitutional Convention. Makes for some good comedy

She would be shown the door and told to listen to her husband more closely.

[eddy]

Still laugh everytime I come across this

[Viva la Ben]

Oh man

[Troy Loney]

Desantis is a party man, and the party is going to have to cave and go fully behind Trump in 2024 because Trump's not going to do what's in the best interest of the party here and bow out.

Outside of Florida, one of the big takeaways from Tuesday imo was the widespread rejection of Florida as an organizing model. Desantis is a savvy operator, and knows what way the bread is buttered. Gavin Newsom in CA recently took out the veto pen to a few measures that had broad capital D Democratic support in the state, because 'reasons' (e.g. he can tell a national audience that he 'made hard decisions' and rejected California's wanton California-ness); Desantis is in sort of a similar boat now more than ever. He may have wanted to forestall a 2024 POTUS bid to avoid confrontation with Trump, but now I'm not so sure that's something to fear, and putting it off might turn him into 2012 Chris Christie.

Yeah, I totally agree. Same thing with Liz Warren in 2016, bowing out for Hillary ended her chance to be the democratic candidate. It will be quite a feat for desantis to remain relevant till 2028.

I doubt he could beat trump and if he were to edge trump, trump probably runs anyway

[Orlando Penguin]

I'd also say that cultural identity has changed along with it. Virginians no longer think of themselves as Virginians first, Americans second. In fact, the only state level identity I hear touted is which State Institution's Sportsball Team a person pledges allegiance to.

Haha. I almost added that the only divisions that matter between states seem to be college football rivalries.

Outside of former rebel states, where do residents routinely fly their state flag? It's really common here in CA, but elsewhere? Honestly don't know, maybe I need to get out more.

Marylanders love themselves their state flag.

[tifosi77]

Given the events of this week, it will be interesting to see how the 15 abortion ban thing plays out for Desantis. He signed it into law, there's no givebacks at this point. But how the state pursues defending it will be a bit of a tell imo.

[faftorial]

Ron has success with his own the libs stunts but he seems to have zero charisma.

[tifosi77]

I'm not sure of the ultimate resolution of his let's-send-a-planeload-of-immigrants-to-Martha's-Vineyard charade, but I'm not sure it will be good.

[Gaucho]

[faftorial]

Let's hope Ron responds in kind.

[King Colby]

I have read the first paragraph of trumps statement like 4x and I still have no idea what he said lol

[faftorial]

Ron is disloyal to Don.

[tifosi77]

The full statement looks to be like 2,500 words btw.

[Gaucho]

I'm sure Ron is quacking in his boots.

[King Colby]

Line drawn in the sand. Interested in how the maga'erz will respond