Politics And Current Events

[count2infinity]

Two words...

Joe Manchin.

[eddy]

Here's a ****-ton of money to vote how we want

[eddy]

Two words...

Joe Manchin.

And that NTP66 sinema or whatever her dumb name is

[count2infinity]

Yeah... when I said that I wished the dems had a little bit of GOP in them, what I meant was I wish they didn't give a sh*t about political norms and just jammed things through like the GOP does. I didn't mean I wish they literally had GOP members in their ranks.

[NTP66]

And let's not forget the entire GOP, who have publicly stated that they will not pass anything presented by the Dems.

[Viva la Ben]

Republicans are refusing to raise the debt ceiling partly caused in part by legislation passed by the Trump admin. These same republicans raised the debt ceiling three times under the Trump admin.
This has nothing to do with Biden’s spending package.

[NTP66]

They just want to see the US default so that they can blame Biden and the Dems. Prove me wrong.

[Viva la Ben]

Remember that the tax cuts were supposed to pay for themself.

they didn’t

[faftorial]

Honest question, don't the Dems have the majority and could increase the debt ceiling w/o any GOP votes? My understanding is they have other avenues to do that as well.

And with regard to the spending bill, they can't even get on the same page in their own party, where the progressives want to go the entire 3.5T vs some moderate dems wanting to spend less (although more than the 1.5T the Republicans want).

I dont' think anyone is holding anyone hostage. Making more difficult, yes.

I mean, any insight from people that follow this a lot more closely, I'll take it. But that is my understanding of the situation.

But they are actively blocking the debit limit from being raised by filibustering it so a vote can't even happen. Vote against it if you like but filibustering it is blocking it.

[NAN]

Source of the post I dont' think anyone is holding anyone hostage.

Interesting.

Not interesting.

[NAN]

Honest question, don't the Dems have the majority and could increase the debt ceiling w/o any GOP votes? My understanding is they have other avenues to do that as well.

And with regard to the spending bill, they can't even get on the same page in their own party, where the progressives want to go the entire 3.5T vs some moderate dems wanting to spend less (although more than the 1.5T the Republicans want).

I dont' think anyone is holding anyone hostage. Making more difficult, yes.

I mean, any insight from people that follow this a lot more closely, I'll take it. But that is my understanding of the situation.

But they are actively blocking the debit limit from being raised by filibustering it so a vote can't even happen. Vote against it if you like but filibustering it is blocking it.

Yeah, that's an issue. But even if it went to a vote, would it pass?

[Troy Loney]

Yes, no Democrat would vote against raising the debt limit

Mcconnell is try to force them to do it through the budget bill because there are disagreements on the overall budget, but it doesn’t have to be included in that negotiation

[genoscoif]

The people who say that are nothing short of ignorant. These pieces of **** did whatever they wanted over the last 4 years, and now refuse to do anything to address the issues that stem directly from their choices.

I say that. I think I'm pretty short of ignorant. You can apply your pieces of poop statement to just about every administration. Neither party cares about debt. Neither party cares about paying for their spending. Both parties kick the can down the road. Neither party is willing to cut spending (because each party believes that its spending is more vital than the other party's)...which means the only way to balance a budget is to increase revenue. We provide the revenue, and taking more from us has negative political implications. So.......yeah.

https://www.thebalance.com/us-debt-by-p ... nt-3306296

[count2infinity]

Well, if my school house rock memories ring true, they discuss, they debate, they amend, they work things out to the point where it then will pass.

[Viva la Ben]

Why would a GOP senator raise the debt ceiling three times under Trump?

[NAN]

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/06/politics ... index.html

Option to carve out and change the fillibuster for raising the debt ceiling is on the table.

[NAN]

The people who say that are nothing short of ignorant. These pieces of **** did whatever they wanted over the last 4 years, and now refuse to do anything to address the issues that stem directly from their choices.

I say that. I think I'm pretty short of ignorant. You can apply your pieces of poop statement to just about every administration. Neither party cares about debt. Neither party cares about paying for their spending. Both parties kick the can down the road. Neither party is willing to cut spending (because each party believes that its spending is more vital than the other party's)...which means the only way to balance a budget is to increase revenue. We provide the revenue, and taking more from us has negative political implications. So.......yeah.

https://www.thebalance.com/us-debt-by-p ... nt-3306296

[Viva la Ben]

There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.

[Morkle]

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/06/politics ... index.html

Option to carve out and change the fillibuster for raising the debt ceiling is on the table.

I'm so tired of the filibuster. Either remove it, or stop talking about it. It's the nuclear option, and whoever removes it first is going to benefit, but it's going to come back around.

[faftorial]

Honest question, don't the Dems have the majority and could increase the debt ceiling w/o any GOP votes? My understanding is they have other avenues to do that as well.

And with regard to the spending bill, they can't even get on the same page in their own party, where the progressives want to go the entire 3.5T vs some moderate dems wanting to spend less (although more than the 1.5T the Republicans want).

I dont' think anyone is holding anyone hostage. Making more difficult, yes.

I mean, any insight from people that follow this a lot more closely, I'll take it. But that is my understanding of the situation.

But they are actively blocking the debit limit from being raised by filibustering it so a vote can't even happen. Vote against it if you like but filibustering it is blocking it.

Yeah, that's an issue. But even if it went to a vote, would it pass?

It would because there would be 51 votes. The 60 is needed to overcome the filibuster.

[count2infinity]

50.... just 50.

[NAN]

It would because there would be 51 votes. The 60 is needed to overcome the filibuster.

Gotcha, thanks. I was confusing those numbers.

[NTP66]

I fully expect the Dems to just say 'oh well, they won't comply'. Arrest them all and throw them in jail until they testify. Show a god damn backbone for once.

[NTP66]

Almost forgot that these were still a thing in the US:

[skullman80]

Almost forgot that these were still a thing in the US:

I feel like there was another one just last week or the week before.