Your 2022 Pittsburgh Pirates Baseball Thread

[faftorial]

A year is nothing. I was thinking Bonds started at 20 or 21.

[Dickie Dunn]

How do I find out about RBI? I can't find it anywhere. 35 at the 2/3 point extrapolates to ~50 lol

Couldn't find the exact answer (lots of RBI breakdowns but none related to this), but the 1972 Rangers set the AL record for fewest RBI as a team; 1942 Phillies set it for the NL. 1942 Phillies were lead by Danny Litwhiler with 56 RBIs in 627 PAs (.089 per). Danny Murtaugh killed it that year with 27 RBIs in 580 PAs (.0466 per).

1972 Rangers were led by C Dick Billings with 58 in 509 PAs (.114). 1B Don Mincher was at .1605 RBI per plate appearance and CF Elliot Maddox had a staggering 10 RBIs in 349 PAs (.0287).

I don't see how someone would have significantly more RBI on a similarly low scoring team.

Hayes is currently at .0833 RBI/PA and Reynolds is at .091. ulf's boy Oneil Cruz is at .1835 per and the dude who somehow nails Vanessa Hudgens is at .0317. Comparing historically, Hayes and Reynolds are pretty on par with other terrible run scoring teams.

Edit: I completely misread your original post, but regardless...

Max Carey had 51 RBI in 668 PAs (.076) for the 1917 Pirates team that went 51-103-3 with 396 RBIs. Modern era is tough. Dave Parker and Orlando Merced had low RBIs in shortened seasons, but even then Merced was at 51 in 432 (.118). The 1985 Pirates were led by Johnny Ray with 70 and the 2010 Buccos had Garrett Jones with 86.

I think the answer might lie with the fantastic 2009 Pirates. Sleepy John Russell led the team to a 62-99 record. 612 RBI as a team, led by the great Andy LaRoche with 64 (.1085). I think we're witnessing historic futility this season.

Wanted to follow up on this exercise in futility. Reynolds led the team with 62 RBIs, setting what I believe is a new record low for the Pirates in the modern era. RBI/AB was .1009, so we're worse on both fronts though that's an increase from when I first looked at this. 555 RBIs as a team, which is really just **** pathetic. Hayes, who is overpaid, trailed off tremendously and finished with 41 RBIs, a rate of 0.0732/PA.

The lone bright spot continues to be the same person. Cruz's numbers are ridiculous for someone who played half a season. Second on the team with 54 RBIs, a rate of 0.1496/PA.

[Troy Loney]

Here is where I have them going into the offseason, so a base payroll around 36mm. I think Keller and Brubaker come out to a total of around 4mm through arbitration, but not sure what the individual numbers will be. That slot for Bae is probably going to be Mitchell out of Spring Training cause they will get cute with Bae's service time, even through Bae is not the kind of player where you should be thinking about service time manipulation.

Ortiz definitely starts in AAA and they sign another veteran starter, and I think that's the right move. With Lyles, Anderson and Quintana they have shown a lot there.

I guess Newman is a non-tender candidate, but I wouldn't hate keeping him around as a good infielder off the bench.

Prospects likely to push for playing time:

Early season - Endy and Burrows
Mid - Late season - Priester, Davis, Gonzales, Pegeuro


C
1B
2B Castro PreArb: 715
SS Cruz PreArb: 725
3B Hayes Signed: 10000
OF Reynolds Arb2: 6750
OF Suwinski PreArb: 715
OF
DH Andujar Arb2: 2000
BN Newman Arb2: 2500
BN Delay / Heineman PreArb: 700
BN Bae PreArb: 700
BN Castillo PreArb: 700

SP Keller Arb1: 2000
SP Brubaker Arb1: 2000
SP Contreras PreArb: 725
SP Oviedo PreArb: 725
SP
RP Bednar PreArb: 725
RP De Los Santos PreArb: 700
RP Crow PreArb: 725
RP Thompson PreArb: 700
RP De Jong PreArb: 700
RP Stephenson Arb3: 1500
RP
RP

Total 36005

[willeyeam]

I don't think Newman is needed if you have Bae and Castillo. Or vice versa for Castillo.. I'd rather see Newman non-tendered and Mitchell on the bench to compete with Suwinski

[faftorial]

You're not giving Bae that open outfield spot?

[willeyeam]

I like Bae in the old J-Hay super utility spot, getting almost regular playing time but all around the infield and OF

[faftorial]

I like Bae in the old J-Hay super utility spot, getting almost regular playing time but all around the infield and OF

He'll be endorsing shampoo in no time.

[MrKennethTKangaroo]

Good stuff on this page

[robbiestoupe]

Not too happy of seeing Brubaker and Oviedo as locks for the rotation, but next year isn't the year anyway. Just hope the Pirates aren't hinging all their hopes of the future on them. Maybe Oviedo is the real deal, but would feel much better if they signed a Quintana type plus a couple reclamations to battle it out with those two.

Hopefully Ortiz pans out and of course Priester. Because other than those two, is there anybody in the system above A ball knocking on the door?

It really is key to get a wily veteran in the rotation next year a la Burnett in 2012. Not so much as filler for the rotation, but as somebody to teach the young guys what it's like to pitch in the bigs. Love the idea of Taillon, maybe there are others in their early 30s that would help. Don't know if Snydergaard would be possible, but wouldn't hate it.

[willeyeam]

Brubaker is a #5 with the intent that he will be replaced by Burrows or Priester, I think. Oviedo - I don't like him and Brubaker having spots at this moment

[willeyeam]

Hopefully Ortiz pans out and of course Priester. Because other than those two, is there anybody in the system above A ball knocking on the door?

Burrows - but he didn't do so hot when he got to AAA

[Dickie Dunn]

Bringing in competent veterans would be great, I just see no reason to raise my expectations above the bare minimum. A base payroll below $40MM is beyond pathetic and less than the team gets in revenue sharing. The league should force Nutting to sell the team.

[willeyeam]

yes and yes

[MrKennethTKangaroo]

Gotta have at least 8 viable (or the pirates definition of viable) starters going into the season ro offset the dangers of injury or ineffectiveness

[willeyeam]

I agree - which is like 6 in MLB (5 man rotation and the loser goes to be the long man in the pen), and two in AAA (Oviedo and Ortiz imo)

sign two guys, a Taillon type that can actually be good and a journeyman Tyler Anderson/Quintana type imo. We'll get two of the latter and like it, if we're lucky though

[robbiestoupe]

1. Keller
2. Contreras
3. Brubaker
4. FA
5/6. FA/Oviedo
7. Ortiz
8. Scrub/breakout in AA/AAA or camp invite on MiLB contract

of course we know the #8 option will also be the 4/5 option.

[robbiestoupe]

ulf more optimistic with his Anderson/Quintana snark. I'm thinking more of a Bryssssse Wilson. Heck, why did I forget about him, put him in at #1, forget the FA guys at all

[MrKennethTKangaroo]

I am Acrisure that Bryce Wilson will be on the opening day roster

[willeyeam]

ugh

[Troy Loney]

1. Keller
2. Contreras
3. Brubaker
4. FA
5/6. FA/Oviedo
7. Ortiz
8. Scrub/breakout in AA/AAA or camp invite on MiLB contract

of course we know the #8 option will also be the 4/5 option.

1. Keller
2. Contreras
3. Brubaker
4. FA
5. Oviedo
6. Zach Thompson / Bryce Wilson (BP swing man)
7. Ortiz (first man up from AAA)
8. Priester/Burrows/Bido/Bolton - SP prospect with most promising start to 2023

[LeopardLetang]

A year is nothing. I was thinking Bonds started at 20 or 21.

Eh it's a pretty big deal at that age.

Bonds at 23 ops+ 148
Cruz at 23 ops+ 107

I'm not fussed about that comparison though. I think Cruz will be good to incredible. And I'll be very disappointed if he doesn't become incredible


I'm happy enough with Burrows AAA performance. Not the results in total but in the performance. 42.1ip 12bb 42k 1.35whip That counts his final start of 0.2ip 5h 6er 1bb which was his first action since coming off a month of injury

He only pitched 49ip last year so he was kept to a light inning load each start (ended with 94.1 on the season)

IP H ER BB K
3.0 4 2 0 4
4.1 5 1 0 4
4.2 6 5 1 4
4.0 8 5 0 3
2.0 0 0 0 4
3.1 3 2 3 5
4.0 2 0 2 2
5.0 5 3 1 2
4.1 3 1 2 6
5.0 4 0 1 6
2.0 0 0 1 2

2 decents starts then his worst 2 starts then was very good in his last 7 starts before the post injury appearance. He should be looking pretty good mid season next year

[DigitalGypsy66]

It was mentioned casually by one of the beat writers that Hayes has been dealing with back issues all season, but continued to stay in the lineup for leadership reasons or something like that.

He needs to find Gary Roberts for some off season training. He's too young to have a gimpy back lol

[MrKennethTKangaroo]

whatever. Dude needs to hit.

[King Colby]

He "led" them to triple digit losses. Sweet

[King Colby]

Newman and Stephenson will be non tendered. Newman might be brought back unless someone else thinks he doesn't stink. They'll sign 5 players:

1. Backup middle infielder (could be newman)
2. Bum 1B/OF (could be gamel)
3. Catcher (could be perez)
4. Veteran starting pitcher for cheap
5. Some bullpen cast-off