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Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 6:31 pm
by willeyeam
People get so butthurt over AOC lol. Who cares

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Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 6:36 pm
by Freddy Rumsen
People get so butthurt over AOC lol. Who cares
Who's "butthurt"?

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Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 6:40 pm
by mikey
Yeah, I'm not sure about the butthurt part...but...

I'll give credit for her convictions (like I do for Bernie)...I hope she actually is willing to do the work on her own party too...or, better yet, split off and forn another party...

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Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 7:26 pm
by PFiDC
She's DSA so she already is another party.

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Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:35 pm
by Freddy Rumsen
Evidently the States need more money for something.


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Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:47 am
by Troy Loney
Garbage take.

That is exactly what the states needed the Covid stimulus for, make up for lost tax revenues.

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Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 5:03 am
by Gaucho

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Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 7:23 am
by shafnutz05
So all of the election nonsense aside...is it okay to say that Operation Warp Speed has been a great program? It sure seems like it.

I don't really care which political party is responsible, but it seems like it has been a very successful partnership between the government and private enterprise.

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Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 7:35 am
by willeyeam
There's one


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Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 7:51 am
by Viva la Ben
Has anyone figured out where all the Hunter Biden stuff came from yet?

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Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 7:58 am
by Orlando Penguin
There's one

Great. Now stop hiding behind a Twitter post and get out on a podium and say it to the news channels. And bring some of your high-ranking friends from that side of the aisle.

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Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 7:59 am
by Orlando Penguin
There's one

Great. Now stop hiding behind a Twitter post and get out on a podium and say it to the news channels. And bring some of your high-ranking friends from that side of the aisle.

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Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:29 am
by count2infinity
So all of the election nonsense aside...is it okay to say that Operation Warp Speed has been a great program? It sure seems like it.

I don't really care which political party is responsible, but it seems like it has been a very successful partnership between the government and private enterprise.
We'll see what the distribution looks like, but yes. This thread sort of hits the nail on the head:



Copied and pasted for those that don't want to read the thread on twitter:
I can tell you most of that time is spent doing nothing. It's spent submitting funding requests, then resubmitting them, then waiting, then submitting them somewhere else, then getting the money but the company changes it's mind or focus, then renegotiating then submitting ethics, then waiting for regulators then having problems with recruitment and having to open other sites, then dealing with more regulatory issues, then finally when you eventually get to the end of all of this you might have a therapy or not. At this point it may not be deemed profitable or any number of other obstacles.

However we have collectively now shown that with money no object, some clever and highly motivated people, an unlimited pool of altruistic volunteers and sensible regulators that we can do amazing things (necessity being the mother etc). These trials have been nothing short of miraculous, revolutionary but in the context perhaps it is not surprising given our ability to innovate when we REALLY need to...and we really needed to.

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Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:35 am
by willeyeam
To play devil's advocate - how did pfizer seemingly beat moderna without warp speed funding? Oxford seems close as well

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Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:35 am
by willeyeam
I assume there's less red tape to go through than normal?

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Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:36 am
by count2infinity
To play devil's advocate - how did pfizer seemingly beat moderna without warp speed funding? Oxford seems close as well
They took advantage of a partnership with a Germany company that pretty much already had a vaccine ready to go for a different corona virus. Took the same developmental approach with the new virus and viola... vaccine.

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Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:37 am
by willeyeam
Ahh I see

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Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:38 am
by count2infinity
I assume there's less red tape to go through than normal?
That too... it's largely a matter of motivation. And surprise, surprise, a once in a hundred years type of pandemic made people motivated.

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Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:39 am
by mikey
However we have collectively now shown that with money no object, some clever and highly motivated people, an unlimited pool of altruistic volunteers and sensible regulators that we can do amazing things (necessity being the mother etc)
Just to rub it in...this helps to highlight just how poor the two* parties are at governing...

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Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:40 am
by Gaucho
Obviously the key is to put a fancy name to it.

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Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:42 am
by count2infinity
I think giving the credit to operation warp speed is nonsense. It certainly helped to throw money at it and get people out of the way that didn't need to be there, but by and large to this point a vaccine would have likely been ready to rock with or without it. Securing means of production, securing dosages, organizing and planning out a distribution: yeah. I think that's really where we'll see it shine. The development part? Not so much.

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Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:48 am
by meow
No. We must assign credit to someone. That way we can bash the other side for not doing enough

This is the way

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Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:48 am
by eddy
This is the way

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Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:51 am
by meow
Do it, c2i! Assign credit! Do it now!

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Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:56 am
by MWB
So all of the election nonsense aside...is it okay to say that Operation Warp Speed has been a great program? It sure seems like it.

I don't really care which political party is responsible, but it seems like it has been a very successful partnership between the government and private enterprise.
It certainly doesn’t seem like it hurt, and has seemed positive, so I’m all for it.