Cars & Bikes, Driving & Riding

Willie Kool
Posts: 9328
Joined: Wed Mar 25, 2015 7:28 pm
Location: undisclosed

Cars & Bikes, Driving & Riding

Postby Willie Kool » Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:47 pm

We've got the full meal deal, including the full tort option...

AuthorTony
Posts: 8950
Joined: Wed Mar 25, 2015 11:18 am

Cars & Bikes, Driving & Riding

Postby AuthorTony » Tue Jun 18, 2019 4:46 pm

I've been browsing orange Wranglers the last few days and it reminded me how nauseating the car buying experience is. The sales manager at Jim Shorkey dicked me around for 2 days and wouldn't give me a price. Today, I contacted a Jeep dealership in Johnstown which had a leftover 2018 on the lot. The salesman offered to give me the amazing deal of selling it to me at full MSRP ($41K) if I bought within the next few days. I explained that I'd consider a 2018, but would need 20% off since 2020s will be out in just a few months. He didn't respond. :lol:

CBear3
Posts: 7666
Joined: Fri Mar 27, 2015 10:02 pm
Location: KC, MO

Cars & Bikes, Driving & Riding

Postby CBear3 » Tue Jun 18, 2019 4:48 pm

Rotor holding screws are Man's worst invention; change my mind.

NTP66
Posts: 60742
Joined: Sun Oct 04, 2015 2:00 pm
Location: FUCΚ! Even in the future nothing works.

Cars & Bikes, Driving & Riding

Postby NTP66 » Tue Jun 18, 2019 5:01 pm

Rotor holding screws are Man's worst invention; change my mind.
Change your mind and fight me at the same time, because you're 100% correct.

Shyster
Posts: 13099
Joined: Wed Mar 25, 2015 6:08 pm
Location: Nullius in verba

Cars & Bikes, Driving & Riding

Postby Shyster » Tue Jun 18, 2019 5:10 pm

From what I understand, Wranglers are popular and keep their value spectacularly well, so I can sort of understand the dealers not budging on the price. My family owned one back in the 90s, and the amount my mother got for it on a trade-in after years of ownership was still very substantial.

AuthorTony
Posts: 8950
Joined: Wed Mar 25, 2015 11:18 am

Cars & Bikes, Driving & Riding

Postby AuthorTony » Tue Jun 18, 2019 5:15 pm

From what I understand, Wranglers are popular and keep their value spectacularly well, so I can sort of understand the dealers not budging on the price. My family owned one back in the 90s, and the amount my mother got for it on a trade-in after years of ownership was still very substantial.
That's mostly true, but there's an oversupply of 2018s sitting on lots. They made way too many.

NTP66
Posts: 60742
Joined: Sun Oct 04, 2015 2:00 pm
Location: FUCΚ! Even in the future nothing works.

Cars & Bikes, Driving & Riding

Postby NTP66 » Tue Jun 18, 2019 5:17 pm

And most sane people wouldn't consider spending $41k on a Wrangler.

Factorial
Posts: 8922
Joined: Wed Mar 25, 2015 1:03 pm

Cars & Bikes, Driving & Riding

Postby Factorial » Tue Jun 18, 2019 5:19 pm

And most sane people wouldn't consider spending $41k on a Wrangler.
That's a base model?

NTP66
Posts: 60742
Joined: Sun Oct 04, 2015 2:00 pm
Location: FUCΚ! Even in the future nothing works.

Cars & Bikes, Driving & Riding

Postby NTP66 » Tue Jun 18, 2019 5:25 pm

I have no idea, but my jaw will drop if it is.

Shyster
Posts: 13099
Joined: Wed Mar 25, 2015 6:08 pm
Location: Nullius in verba

Cars & Bikes, Driving & Riding

Postby Shyster » Tue Jun 18, 2019 5:28 pm

In the last year Car and Driver ran a comparo of the big three pickup trucks, all of them in top-of-the-line trim for the quarter-ton versions. All of them were over $60,000, and the Ford F-150 was over $70,000. Now, I know that was for the Platinum/King/Ranch/Look At Me trim levels, but damn, that's insane money for a freakin' pickup truck.

Kane
Posts: 5145
Joined: Fri Dec 28, 2018 10:31 pm
Location: Stavromula Beta

Cars & Bikes, Driving & Riding

Postby Kane » Tue Jun 18, 2019 5:37 pm

Rotor holding screws are Man's worst invention; change my mind.
:?: Can't say I ever had much of an issue with one. Had a head snap off once during a rotor change, but an 1/8" drill bit fixes it real quick.

AuthorTony
Posts: 8950
Joined: Wed Mar 25, 2015 11:18 am

Cars & Bikes, Driving & Riding

Postby AuthorTony » Tue Jun 18, 2019 5:53 pm

And most sane people wouldn't consider spending $41k on a Wrangler.
That's a base model?
I certainly won't.

This is a Sport S with a bunch of random "convenience" options, most of which I have no interest in.

CBear3
Posts: 7666
Joined: Fri Mar 27, 2015 10:02 pm
Location: KC, MO

Cars & Bikes, Driving & Riding

Postby CBear3 » Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:28 pm

Rotor holding screws are Man's worst invention; change my mind.
:?: Can't say I ever had much of an issue with one. Had a head snap off once during a rotor change, but an 1/8" drill bit fixes it real quick.
Two different impact guns, totally bathed in PB Blaster, and all I’ve got to show for it is a broken torx impact socket. It’s nearly a 1/2” diameter sucker too.

NTP66
Posts: 60742
Joined: Sun Oct 04, 2015 2:00 pm
Location: FUCΚ! Even in the future nothing works.

Cars & Bikes, Driving & Riding

Postby NTP66 » Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:32 pm

Rotor holding screws are Man's worst invention; change my mind.
:?: Can't say I ever had much of an issue with one. Had a head snap off once during a rotor change, but an 1/8" drill bit fixes it real quick.
Two different impact guns, totally bathed in PB Blaster, and all I’ve got to show for it is a broken torx impact socket. It’s nearly a 1/2” diameter sucker too.
This was me a few years ago, CB. Same exact results. I had to throw my wheels back on and have a shop use a **** air chisel to get it out.

tjand72
Posts: 709
Joined: Sun Apr 05, 2015 8:24 pm

Cars & Bikes, Driving & Riding

Postby tjand72 » Tue Jun 18, 2019 7:05 pm

Drill it out.

NTP66
Posts: 60742
Joined: Sun Oct 04, 2015 2:00 pm
Location: FUCΚ! Even in the future nothing works.

Cars & Bikes, Driving & Riding

Postby NTP66 » Tue Jun 18, 2019 7:21 pm

Drilling it out didn’t work, and I went through multiple bits. This was using a high torque electric drill, too.

dodint
Posts: 59160
Joined: Wed Mar 25, 2015 1:39 pm
Location: Cheer up, bіtch!
Contact:

Cars & Bikes, Driving & Riding

Postby dodint » Tue Jun 18, 2019 7:30 pm

Rotor holding screws are Man's worst invention; change my mind.
:?: Can't say I ever had much of an issue with one. Had a head snap off once during a rotor change, but an 1/8" drill bit fixes it real quick.
Two different impact guns, totally bathed in PB Blaster, and all I’ve got to show for it is a broken torx impact socket. It’s nearly a 1/2” diameter sucker too.
Is this the MINI? :lol:

I buy new ones every few rotor changes.

I just got in from the garage, changed out the flapper in my DISA valve. I knew it was going bad because it was humming, but when I got it apart it wasn't even actuating. Hopefully it clears up my intermittent lean condition.

dodint
Posts: 59160
Joined: Wed Mar 25, 2015 1:39 pm
Location: Cheer up, bіtch!
Contact:

Cars & Bikes, Driving & Riding

Postby dodint » Tue Jun 18, 2019 7:32 pm

Come to think of it, now that I have switched to wheel studs instead of lug bolts I probably do not need the retention bolt anymore. Not going to test the theory, though.

NTP66
Posts: 60742
Joined: Sun Oct 04, 2015 2:00 pm
Location: FUCΚ! Even in the future nothing works.

Cars & Bikes, Driving & Riding

Postby NTP66 » Tue Jun 18, 2019 7:33 pm

Out of curiosity, why do you keep putting the screws on? They’re really only there to hold the rotor on while the calipers are installed on the factory line.

Willie Kool
Posts: 9328
Joined: Wed Mar 25, 2015 7:28 pm
Location: undisclosed

Cars & Bikes, Driving & Riding

Postby Willie Kool » Tue Jun 18, 2019 7:41 pm

Getting ready to order all new pads, rotors and parking brakes for the Mazda. Really not looking forward to those stupid screws. Never had to deal with them on any of my GM's...

dodint
Posts: 59160
Joined: Wed Mar 25, 2015 1:39 pm
Location: Cheer up, bіtch!
Contact:

Cars & Bikes, Driving & Riding

Postby dodint » Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:05 pm

Out of curiosity, why do you keep putting the screws on? They’re really only there to hold the rotor on while the calipers are installed on the factory line.
Lug bolts. The retention bolt holds the rotor on while you do maintence like pad changes. Without them, or studs, they would shift out of place. Even with the caliper on you run the risk of the bolt holes not lining upnwhen the rotor slips while the wheel is off.

BMW and MINI parts places sell a holder you can put in there to prevent this. Kinda silly though.

Willie Kool
Posts: 9328
Joined: Wed Mar 25, 2015 7:28 pm
Location: undisclosed

Cars & Bikes, Driving & Riding

Postby Willie Kool » Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:27 pm

Lug bolts.
A worthy contender for worst invention...

Kane
Posts: 5145
Joined: Fri Dec 28, 2018 10:31 pm
Location: Stavromula Beta

Cars & Bikes, Driving & Riding

Postby Kane » Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:07 pm

Rotor holding screws are Man's worst invention; change my mind.
:?: Can't say I ever had much of an issue with one. Had a head snap off once during a rotor change, but an 1/8" drill bit fixes it real quick.
Two different impact guns, totally bathed in PB Blaster, and all I’ve got to show for it is a broken torx impact socket. It’s nearly a 1/2” diameter sucker too.
Damn. I must have been getting lucky. My cordless impact driver backed almost all of them right out.

CBear3
Posts: 7666
Joined: Fri Mar 27, 2015 10:02 pm
Location: KC, MO

Cars & Bikes, Driving & Riding

Postby CBear3 » Tue Jun 18, 2019 10:27 pm

No joy with a MAP torch, drill bit here I come.
Yep, it’s the Mini. The previous owner had just had the car fully gone through when he wrecked it, so I haven’t had to touch too much of it.
Another vote for moving to studs.

mac5155
Posts: 13841
Joined: Wed Mar 25, 2015 12:47 pm

Cars & Bikes, Driving & Riding

Postby mac5155 » Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:13 pm

Rotor holding screws are Man's worst invention; change my mind.
Change your mind and fight me at the same time, because you're 100% correct.
Drill em out once... Never replace. Problem solved.

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 50 guests