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Postby MrKennethTKangaroo » Tue Mar 20, 2018 4:26 pm

so are the people just jagoffs or what

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Postby tifosi77 » Tue Mar 20, 2018 4:32 pm

so are the people just jagoffs or what
It's not so much that they're jags, it's just there's absolutely no sense of community in my neighborhood. And I've got my head up my own butt about it, so it's a feedback loop that I'm having a hard time with.

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Postby Shyster » Tue Mar 20, 2018 4:33 pm

Ok, allow me to bring the brunt of my lack of expertise about this to bear here. The way I understand it: it's eminently enforceable so long as the orange shitbasket acknowledges that he is indeed Peter Peckerwood (or whatever alias was used in the original hush agreement). The problem being, the aforementioned insists there wasn't an affair between himself and said gold-digger.
I thought this was a major catch for Trump? If they enforce the agreement, then Trump admits that DD is his signature and he's caught red-handed using campaign funds for hush things.

I think a lot of people are forgetting that there are three parties to that agreement: Daniels, (almost certainly) Trump, and Essential Consultants, LLC. Trump doesn't necessarily need to do, say, or admit anything. Essential Consultants can enforce the agreement against Daniels.
Also, from what I gather from the twitter lawyer retweets, is that Clifford's lawyers was trying to goad Cohen to sue him. Cohen filing that suit was seen as dumb by those lawyers.

I don't see it as dumb at all. To the contrary, I think Daniels' lawyer (Michael Avenatti) is full of crap. Avenatti is clearly hoping that Cohen and Trump will drop the matter out of embarrassment or something, but I don't think that's going to be the case, and his tweets are full of legal distortions.

Avenatti: Trump/Choen is trying to silence my client!
Response: No, moron, he's enforcing the contract she voluntarily signed, which says she has to STFU.

Avenatti: Secret arbitration proceeding! Secret!
Response: That's what the contract says. If she didn't want to agree to confidential arbitration, she shouldn't have signed the contract and taken the $130,000.

Avenatti: Moving the case to federal court is a "bullying tactic" designed to "hid[e]the truth from the public"!
Response: It's diversity jurisdiction, dipsh!t. Everyone would prefer to be in federal court when diversity jurisdiction is present, and you know it.

And on the "Trump has publicly denied the contract" argument, that doesn't really mean anything. One can publicly deny being a party to a contract and still enforce it. The only time a denial would have preclusive effect is if it's done under oath, such as at a trial or deposition, or made in an interrogatory or request for admissions. Then collateral estoppel would apply. But merely saying "I'm not a party to that contract" when not under oath doesn't mean you would necessarily be barred from later enforcing it.

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Postby Troy Loney » Tue Mar 20, 2018 4:37 pm

so are the people just jagoffs or what
It's not so much that they're jags, it's just there's absolutely no sense of community in my neighborhood. And I've got my head up my own butt about it, so it's a feedback loop that I'm having a hard time with.
That's not unique to SF.

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Postby Shyster » Tue Mar 20, 2018 4:42 pm

the sad part is that a horrific shooting with record casualties would probably save lives in the long run right now. A few injuries ain’t moving the needle. And the more time that passes since the last means less momentum for reform.

Oh well.
I think this provides great momentum for reform. A good guy with a gun, who was on site in the school, promptly responded and shot and killed the bad guy with a gun. Now we just need to make sure every school has plenty of good guys with guns.

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Postby tifosi77 » Tue Mar 20, 2018 4:44 pm

It's not so much that they're jags, it's just there's absolutely no sense of community in my neighborhood. And I've got my head up my own butt about it, so it's a feedback loop that I'm having a hard time with.
That's not unique to SF.
Neither is my gripe. It's more about where we are not rather than where we are.

We had a really great living situation in Encino,which was pretty much the exact opposite of what I'm dodinting about here.

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Postby Willie Kool » Tue Mar 20, 2018 4:48 pm

Minneapolis police officer Mohamed Noor was charged Tuesday with murder and manslaughter in the July shooting death of Justine Ruszczyk Damond.

Noor is charged with third-degree murder “perpetrating eminently dangerous act and evincing depraved mind” and second-degree manslaughter, “culpable negligence creating unreasonable risk.” in the shooting
http://www.startribune.com/minneapolis- ... 477405923/

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Postby shmenguin » Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:11 pm

so are the people just jagoffs or what
It's not so much that they're jags, it's just there's absolutely no sense of community in my neighborhood. And I've got my head up my own butt about it, so it's a feedback loop that I'm having a hard time with.
That's not unique to SF.
my 5 minutes of experience tell me it's worse there than the typical urban center. it makes sense, though. lots of transients. lots of money. lots of people in the same industry competing with each other for limited work. this doesn't scream Americana to me. it's just people excessively worried about their own deal, which leads to some toolbag behavior.

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Postby MWB » Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:19 pm

Let's go back to the days where a girl broke up with you and you listened to Dashboard Confessional for 2-3 weeks and moved on. I can't even put myself in that level of rage that I'd want to commit a murder over it.

I bet it's social media's fault and the sense that everyone lives some kind of dream life.
Social media plays a huge factor. Kids see what they're not invited to, what they're not a part of. According to my daughter's pediatrician, and I didn't look it up to verify it, but it certainly makes sense, there is a direct correlation between depression and the amount of screen time kids have.

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Postby CBear3 » Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:24 pm

the sad part is that a horrific shooting with record casualties would probably save lives in the long run right now. A few injuries ain’t moving the needle. And the more time that passes since the last means less momentum for reform.

Oh well.
I think this provides great momentum for reform. A good guy with a gun, who was on site in the school, promptly responded and shot and killed the bad guy with a gun. Now we just need to make sure every school has plenty of good guys with guns.
So they can accidentally shoot the ceiling tiles. :mrgreen:

I'm all in favor of SRO's. I've got no problem budgeting for one in every $chool in every $tate in America. Its just that all the teachers I've talked to hate the idea of entrusting school security to themselves or other teachers. That's not say 100% of teachers are against the idea, but that a majority ranging from the Projects to Suburbia would rather it be somebody else's job.

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Postby MWB » Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:27 pm

the sad part is that a horrific shooting with record casualties would probably save lives in the long run right now. A few injuries ain’t moving the needle. And the more time that passes since the last means less momentum for reform.

Oh well.
I think this provides great momentum for reform. A good guy with a gun, who was on site in the school, promptly responded and shot and killed the bad guy with a gun. Now we just need to make sure every school has plenty of good guys with guns.
The flip side to this was the good guy with the gun a couple weeks ago who accidentally discharged it and injured a couple people.

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Postby CBear3 » Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:30 pm

See? MWB is so busy teaching that I beat him to the punch. A dedicated smart-ass is much more efficient than one that has to divide his attention.

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Postby Shyster » Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:40 pm

The fact that someone had an accident a couple weeks ago doesn't change the fact that today a good guy with a gun stopped a bad guy with a gun—exactly as the NRA has been saying all along. I'm sure I could even find examples of Navy Seals who screwed up and did something stupid, but that wouldn't mean that all Seals are incompetent. Also, no one would be forcing teachers to be armed. The staff/teachers who want to carry would be the ones armed.

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Postby CBear3 » Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:10 pm

The fact that someone had an accident a couple weeks ago doesn't change the fact that today a good guy with a gun stopped a bad guy with a gun—exactly as the NRA has been saying all along. I'm sure I could even find examples of Navy Seals who screwed up and did something stupid, but that wouldn't mean that all Seals are incompetent. Also, no one would be forcing teachers to be armed. The staff/teachers who want to carry would be the ones armed.
First,
It was a good guy with a gun who's sole attention was to be a good guy with a gun and is paid solely to be a good guy with a gun that MAY have stopped something worse from happening. It's being reported currently as a something akin to a domestic violence issue, which typically doesn't expand beyond those intimately involved. Maybe he saved the day, maybe he just shot the perp.

My opinion: Staff/teachers shouldn't be expected to do the crap we keep shoveling on them, while cutting their budgets, and also to save the school from an intruder with an infantry rifle. If I'm eligible to carry but a student gets shot in my class, am I now liable? Legally or morally? Students are typically put in to the care of educators at school and are responsible for their well being. That was the big drama on the other side of the walk-out last week, how when classes split-up could teachers still protect the minors in their care.

There's a reason the police are armed. They make mistakes, but in general their job and their training is simply to be a good guy with a gun. There's never been an disagreement that "we" as a society desired to be protected by good guys with guns. It's Sarah Palin level bullshit.
Allowing anybody to be a good guy with a gun is where I think the NRA can kiss my ass. In MO you can carry concealed without a permit. Since I can privately purchase a firearm without a background check there' are no legitimate checks in place. Everybody can't own one legally granted (felons and domestic abusers can't) but there's no mechanism to stop them until they've already committed a crime. I can open carry, I can conceal, and unless the Paid good guy somehow knows my record there's nothing that can stop me despite my past.

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Postby MWB » Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:29 pm

See? MWB is so busy teaching that I beat him to the punch. A dedicated smart-ass is much more efficient than one that has to divide his attention.
So true.

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Postby MWB » Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:36 pm

The fact that someone had an accident a couple weeks ago doesn't change the fact that today a good guy with a gun stopped a bad guy with a gun—exactly as the NRA has been saying all along. I'm sure I could even find examples of Navy Seals who screwed up and did something stupid, but that wouldn't mean that all Seals are incompetent. Also, no one would be forcing teachers to be armed. The staff/teachers who want to carry would be the ones armed.
It’s great that this guy stopped the shooter. The point, as I’m sure you know, is that if you want to cite the “good guy” example, there are plenty of examples of people, trained and untrained, who accidentally cause harm. And that’s on top of those who are trained but cause harm when they’re trying to help.

The large majority of teachers don’t want to carry guns. Even if they did, how would it be funded and carried out? How much more would they be paid? How much overtime would they get for covering school sponsored events?

And what cbear said.

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Postby columbia » Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:43 pm

Ok, allow me to bring the brunt of my lack of expertise about this to bear here. The way I understand it: it's eminently enforceable so long as the orange shitbasket acknowledges that he is indeed Peter Peckerwood (or whatever alias was used in the original hush agreement). The problem being, the aforementioned insists there wasn't an affair between himself and said gold-digger.
I thought this was a major catch for Trump? If they enforce the agreement, then Trump admits that DD is his signature and he's caught red-handed using campaign funds for hush things.

I think a lot of people are forgetting that there are three parties to that agreement: Daniels, (almost certainly) Trump, and Essential Consultants, LLC. Trump doesn't necessarily need to do, say, or admit anything. Essential Consultants can enforce the agreement against Daniels.
Also, from what I gather from the twitter lawyer retweets, is that Clifford's lawyers was trying to goad Cohen to sue him. Cohen filing that suit was seen as dumb by those lawyers.

I don't see it as dumb at all. To the contrary, I think Daniels' lawyer (Michael Avenatti) is full of crap. Avenatti is clearly hoping that Cohen and Trump will drop the matter out of embarrassment or something, but I don't think that's going to be the case, and his tweets are full of legal distortions.

Avenatti: Trump/Choen is trying to silence my client!
Response: No, moron, he's enforcing the contract she voluntarily signed, which says she has to STFU.

Avenatti: Secret arbitration proceeding! Secret!
Response: That's what the contract says. If she didn't want to agree to confidential arbitration, she shouldn't have signed the contract and taken the $130,000.

Avenatti: Moving the case to federal court is a "bullying tactic" designed to "hid[e]the truth from the public"!
Response: It's diversity jurisdiction, dipsh!t. Everyone would prefer to be in federal court when diversity jurisdiction is present, and you know it.

And on the "Trump has publicly denied the contract" argument, that doesn't really mean anything. One can publicly deny being a party to a contract and still enforce it. The only time a denial would have preclusive effect is if it's done under oath, such as at a trial or deposition, or made in an interrogatory or request for admissions. Then collateral estoppel would apply. But merely saying "I'm not a party to that contract" when not under oath doesn't mean you would necessarily be barred from later enforcing it.

Looking over his career summary, my guess Is that he is, in fact, not a moron:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Avenatti

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Postby shmenguin » Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:47 pm

Porn star gets TV commercial caliber lawyer in her suit against President game show host. This is the worst mad libs ever.

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Postby Freddy Rumsen » Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:54 pm

Fox News analyst who famously called Obama “a total *****” on air quits, calls the network a "propaganda machine"
https://t.co/WWteTli3Nk

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Postby columbia » Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:54 pm

He’s rich, drives race cars and undoubtedly gets lots of tail - who else would rep a porn star? :lol:

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Postby eddy » Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:00 pm

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Kris Kobach’s trial against @aclu turned into comedy of errors for him. His sham claims of widespread voter fraud were debunked once and for all https://t.co/GXbC7NqZQ0

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Postby Shyster » Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:04 pm

Looking over his career summary, my guess Is that he is, in fact, not a moron:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Avenatti
I didn't say he was personally stupid. I said he (and his arguments) are full of crap. A good lawyer can still make bad arguments, and that's what Mr. Avenatti is doing here. I'm not even surprised he's saying what he's saying. The law is pretty strongly against him and his client, so he's trying to make this a major public story (an effort that has been successful) in the hope that Cohen/Trump won't want the publicity and will back off (an effort that hasn't been successful so far).

There's an old legal adage that goes along the lines, “If the facts are against you, argue the law. If the law is against you, argue the facts. If the law and the facts are against you, pound the table/yell like hell/call the other lawyer names." Avenatti is pounding the table, yelling like hell, and calling people names.

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Postby Shyster » Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:12 pm

My opinion: Staff/teachers shouldn't be expected to do the crap we keep shoveling on them, while cutting their budgets, and also to save the school from an intruder with an infantry rifle. If I'm eligible to carry but a student gets shot in my class, am I now liable? Legally or morally? Students are typically put in to the care of educators at school and are responsible for their well being. That was the big drama on the other side of the walk-out last week, how when classes split-up could teachers still protect the minors in their care.
Like I said, if teachers don't want to do it, they wouldn't be forced to do it. If they do, they can. But being a sitting duck in a "gun-free zone" does nothing to "protect the minors in their care." All it does is ensure those minors would be easy targets for a terrorist or mass murderer. Arming teachers is certainly a better option that the ridiculous fantasy that putting more words on paper will someone serve as a deterrent to people who aren't deterred by existing laws that carry the harshest penalties we as a society can impose.

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Postby shmenguin » Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:13 pm

Unrelated to anything...Just came to the conclusion that the death penalty is wrong. In every case. And I’m sort of ashamed it took this long for me to realize.

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Postby mikey » Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:28 pm

Overpopulated planet, country and prison system...if anything, we should loosen it up to include people who do ****** up **** to kids and women...

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