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The Aikman sideline rant about him is awesome. lol

And when the Steelers recovered the surprise onside I 100% thought they were going to win the game.
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one game? did they just magically appear in the super bowl?
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mikey wrote: Thu Feb 01, 2024 1:36 pm
MalkinIsMyHomeboy wrote: Thu Feb 01, 2024 12:59 pm do you think it’s possible for a non-great coach to win a Super Bowl?
Of course...? That's the only logical way to think about this.

Otherwise, you're canonizing anyone that wins a single game regardless of context.

Like...what if there's a guy that inherits the league's best roster, with the league's most money, and was seen eating hot dogs on the sideline during games, and throwing absolute bangers leading up to that Super Bowl...and then wins one against Neil O'Donnell and Bam Morris...is he automatically great now, in this purely hypothetical situation...?

Your game theory, man... haha
we agree on this. so that's why I'm confused how you got the sentiment of
Damn, that's too bad...he was one break-even quarter away from being a great coach...but instead, he should only be an assistant forever...that's too bad.
if it wasn't in response to my post then that's fine but it felt like it was lol

I don't really see Quinn as a good head coach. I think the Falcons were more of a product of Shanahan's system and Matt Ryan playing to his full potential. Quinn deserves credit for hiring Shanahan and for developing the overall team to get to a Super Bowl and build a lead on the Brady-led Pats. But the fact that they blew a 28-3 is a bigger negative mark than the positives of building the team. It's probably considered the biggest meltdown in sports history (at least, it would get my vote) and that is a direct failure of the head coach aka Quinn

him winning wouldn't have made him great but him blowing it kind of solidifies that he isn't great
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(not at you, MIMH)

Those games don't count. Those aren't big games, evidently. So, why if y'all don't count them, why would I have to?

Did QB/coach/gatorade man win Super Bowl? Y/N
Create trophy for playoff MVP? No.
Come on, it's easy...it's only three games...re-consider? No.
Create trophy for half of a game? Yes.

But yeah, let's worry about the divisional playoff game against a team with a negative point differential...suddenly that one carries relevance...?
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MalkinIsMyHomeboy wrote: Thu Feb 01, 2024 2:32 pm
mikey wrote: Thu Feb 01, 2024 1:36 pm
MalkinIsMyHomeboy wrote: Thu Feb 01, 2024 12:59 pm do you think it’s possible for a non-great coach to win a Super Bowl?
Of course...? That's the only logical way to think about this.

Otherwise, you're canonizing anyone that wins a single game regardless of context.

Like...what if there's a guy that inherits the league's best roster, with the league's most money, and was seen eating hot dogs on the sideline during games, and throwing absolute bangers leading up to that Super Bowl...and then wins one against Neil O'Donnell and Bam Morris...is he automatically great now, in this purely hypothetical situation...?

Your game theory, man... haha
we agree on this. so that's why I'm confused how you got the sentiment of
Damn, that's too bad...he was one break-even quarter away from being a great coach...but instead, he should only be an assistant forever...that's too bad.
if it wasn't in response to my post then that's fine but it felt like it was lol

I don't really see Quinn as a good head coach. I think the Falcons were more of a product of Shanahan's system and Matt Ryan playing to his full potential. Quinn deserves credit for hiring Shanahan and for developing the overall team to get to a Super Bowl and build a lead on the Brady-led Pats. But the fact that they blew a 28-3 is a bigger negative mark than the positives of building the team. It's probably considered the biggest meltdown in sports history (at least, it would get my vote) and that is a direct failure of the head coach aka Quinn

him winning wouldn't have made him great but him blowing it kind of solidifies that he isn't great
MVP with the fifth best QB rating in the history of the NFL was Ryan's potential?

That's one of just two of his top-five league finishes in 15 years, one of his two top-3 passing yards finishes, TD finishes...his only MVP consideration, his only 1st or 2nd team finish, etc.

Was that his potential or did some other environmental factor come into play that made him play above his ability...?
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the evaluation of a head coach in any sport is extraordinarily abstract imo anyway. Bill Belichick is considered the greatest of all time. Well, at least with Brady. Without Brady he has a lifetime record of 82-98. That's...kind of shitty. I suppose you can blame that record on his personnel, which, funnily, would be the fault of Belichick the GM but having a .455 win percentage over a 180 game sample size is kind of ****, regardless of personnel. Also hiring Matt Patricia as OC is one of the most baffling assistant coach decisions of alltime

Tomlin is another good data point. I know the Steelers fans here kind of scoff at the "never had a losing record" deal, particularly because the Steelers falter in the playoffs, but I think he has a winning or close to .500 record without Big Ben which I would consider an accomplishment considering how **** some of his QBs have been. That said, how the **** was Rudolph third on the depth chart when Trubisky proved he clearly is not even an ok backup QB?


John Fox managed to get the Tebow Broncos to a 7-4 record and win a playoff game (they were 1-4 before Tebow became the starter) which was a f*cking miracle. Then he gets Peyton and the Broncos blow a playoff game against the Ravens, get blown out in the Super Bowl and then have a **** game against the Luck-led Colts. It's a good "resume" but I don't think you'll get many Broncos fans who'd tell you they think Fox is a good coach



Idk. I feel like it's near impossible to tell what makes a good coach good; especially since OCs and DCs have varying levels of impact on the team and the scheme
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mikey wrote: Thu Feb 01, 2024 2:37 pm

MVP with the fifth best QB rating in the history of the NFL was Ryan's potential?

That's one of just two of his top-five league finishes in 15 years, one of his two top-3 passing yards finishes, TD finishes...his only MVP consideration, his only 1st or 2nd team finish, etc.

Was that his potential or did some other environmental factor come into play that made him play above his ability...?
both?

I'm not really sure what you're saying. imo, if he accomplished it, it was in his potential, certainly. But just because it's his potential doesn't mean it's what we would expect from him


like to me it's the difference between, as a golf reference, max drive distance and average drive distance. In golf, I have a fast swing speed and with the right factors (wind being one, obviously), I think I could hit a ball over 300 yards. That is what I would consider my max potential. But obviously that's not what I average, which is more like 240 yards. I am capable of hitting a drive 300 similar to how Matt Ryan is capable of winning MVP or how Nick Foles is capable of beating Tom Brady in a shoot out. But that's not the norm
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Great, that's where it ought to be. So, that's why I took minor exception with your original comment. It's because generally we're not in good position to make those kinds of calls...

Now, if you have a situation like these Steelers had with Matt Canada and all that kind of stuff...it's like, 'ok, there's some pretty obvious buffoonery going on here'

But the whole "he should only be a DC because this one time at band camp..."

It also assumes that coaches don't evolve at all...we believe players do, but not coaches for some reason.

Way, way back when Mike Sullivan was dumped in Boston...someone told me, "I don't think he's going to get another shot as a head coach in the NHL...he might hang around as an assistant...but that really didn't go well, I think it'll be a real struggle..." and now he's the longest or second longest tenured coach in the NHL, two-time Cup winner, and he's holding things together through some questionable roster times...I know he got a lot better as a coach over time...it happens. It's just a really hard, really abstract - to your point - thing to evaluate. That's why I'm always surprised how people are so sure of the hires when they get made...
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Meh
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mikey wrote: Thu Feb 01, 2024 2:58 pm That's why I'm always surprised how people are so sure of the hires when they get made...
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I mean, what are we doing on here other than making uninformed proclamations about sports. You famously promised to eat a coat hanger if Dumoulin was ever a contributing player on a Stanley Cup team and dodint can't hide his hate boner for a guy who is a possible Hall of Famer
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Well, that's too far the other way, right? Because evaluating players - while a skill in and of itself - is more approachable than evaluating a coach. Because we don't see most of what goes into coaching.

Watching Ryan Graves trying his best...well...it's a little more approachable. Seeing our power play be the worst in team history as we're experimenting with the Wing T formation or whatever...pretty approachable.

Don't throw the baby out with the bath water...
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mikey wrote: Thu Feb 01, 2024 3:59 pm Well, that's too far the other way, right? Because evaluating players - while a skill in and of itself - is more approachable than evaluating a coach. Because we don't see most of what goes into coaching.

Watching Ryan Graves trying his best...well...it's a little more approachable. Seeing our power play be the worst in team history as we're experimenting with the Wing T formation or whatever...pretty approachable.

Don't throw the baby out with the bath water...
Take it to the parenting thread you procreator.
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mikey wrote: Thu Feb 01, 2024 3:59 pm Well, that's too far the other way, right? Because evaluating players - while a skill in and of itself - is more approachable than evaluating a coach. Because we don't see most of what goes into coaching.

Watching Ryan Graves trying his best...well...it's a little more approachable. Seeing our power play be the worst in team history as we're experimenting with the Wing T formation or whatever...pretty approachable.

Don't throw the baby out with the bath water...
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I am “sure” of Dan Quinn only because it doesn’t matter what I say on here but it’s fun to act like I know what I talk about. Even people in the football business are bad at these things (how did Josh McDaniels get hired TWICE) so of course I don’t stand a chance of knowing what I’m talking about
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the minuscule changes in the line during the two week leadup is always a little interesting. SF is back to -2 in my book (KC is +115). I like that and the under
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MalkinIsMyHomeboy wrote: Thu Feb 01, 2024 6:01 pm the minuscule changes in the line during the two week leadup is always a little interesting. SF is back to -2 in my book (KC is +115). I like that and the under
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There no “wow” to that story. It’s not even news.
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Post by nocera »

I like that. Who wants rivalries where the players hug and trade jerseys after the game?

Besides, his actions cost his team a playoff game.


And he ended up getting his too.



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Post by MrKennethTKangaroo »

That burfect debacle is Definitely one of the craziest 10 minutes of live sports tv I’ve watched
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It was really hard to believe all of those things happened more or less at the same time. It was like two scores, two turnovers, two quarterbacks, two personal fouls in......... 40 seconds? 50 seconds?

Morbidly hysterical and completely satisfying.
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Post by shafnutz05 »

Can't believe that was eight years ago already. What a wild swing of emotions that game was.
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Post by genoscoif »

Still so surreal, and remember watching it live like it was yesterday. When Cinci scored to go ahead but missed the 2 point conversion, the immediate thought was 'we got this'...until you remembered Ben was out. Then interception, and the game is over. The next, what, 20 mins?, was just absolutely insane. Fumble, Ben coming back, moving the ball even though Ben could barely throw, 4th down conversion, Burfict giving AB CTE, Joey, Pac-Man, first year Boswell, Dub.

I've been stunned by losses, like where you just sit there staring at the TV. That was one of the only stunned wins I remember.
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Yeah, it's probably my favorite NFL sequence of all time.
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Pro-wrestling ass game
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