Steelers 2021-2022 Offseason Discussion

[meow]

The old “he didn’t get good until he was XX” argument is never used correctly. It isn’t a negative. It’s a positive. It is phrased wrong because people are morons. It should be “this guy gets better every year. He takes his weaknesses and works on them until they become strengths.” Which is exactly what Pickett did. His rookie year, he couldn’t throw an accurate ball unless the guy was 15 yards downfield. Now he’s incredibly accurate

[Morkle]

The old “he didn’t get good until he was XX” argument is never used correctly. It isn’t a negative. It’s a positive. It is phrased wrong because people are morons. It should be “this guy gets better every year. He takes his weaknesses and works on them until they become strengths.” Which is exactly what Pickett did. His rookie year, he couldn’t throw an accurate ball unless the guy was 15 yards downfield. Now he’s incredibly accurate

This and the "BUT HES ALREADY 24" argument is annoying. If he's 24 and in the league for 10 years, he's still only 34 at the QB position. If he's there the average 3-4 years or whatever it is, then his age matters zero to anyone but him. It's just nitpicking to nitpick, imo.

[Troy Loney]

The old “he didn’t get good until he was XX” argument is never used correctly. It isn’t a negative. It’s a positive. It is phrased wrong because people are morons. It should be “this guy gets better every year. He takes his weaknesses and works on them until they become strengths.” Which is exactly what Pickett did. His rookie year, he couldn’t throw an accurate ball unless the guy was 15 yards downfield. Now he’s incredibly accurate

This and the "BUT HES ALREADY 24" argument is annoying. If he's 24 and in the league for 10 years, he's still only 34 at the QB position. If he's there the average 3-4 years or whatever it is, then his age matters zero to anyone but him. It's just nitpicking to nitpick, imo.

The gist of what the PFF guy was saying was that you should discount his success as a college player because of how old he was compared to the competition. Just seems like simpleton mindset. I am sure his experience played a part in his success, but he mostly looked like a starting NFL quarterback playing against crappy competition.

[NTP66]

Why are we even bothering to listen to PFF these days? These are the same guys that said that Watt wasn't even the best defender in the NFL last year.

[Dickie Dunn]

Saw some genius draft guru give the pick a D+, in part because Pickett doesn’t have the out of pocket athleticism like Mahomes, Allen, and Jackson. Jackson is obviously in a league of his own, but:

40 Yard, Vertical, Broad Jump, 20 Yard Shuttle

Mahomes: 4.8, 30”, 114”, 4.08
Allen: 4.75, 33.5”, 119”, 4.40
Pickett: 4.73, 33.5”, 121”, 4.29

How do any of these idiots have careers covering this stuff.

Herbert: 4.68, 36”, 123”, 4.46

Also, why did the much hyped athletic QBs (Jackson and now Willis) never do these events are the combine or their pro days?

[Troy Loney]

Allen is kind of a freak, Mahomes is athletic, but he's mostly just really good at throwing the ball.

[MrKennethTKangaroo]

Is pff or anyone like that going to discount guys like Trevor Lawrence and Justin fields for playing on stacked teams with superior talent on the OL and at the skill positions? Those dudes grew up throwing in palatial pockets

[NTP66]

[Dickie Dunn]

Joe Burrow was also a fifth year senior who didn't put up excellent stats until his final year on an absolutely stacked LSU team and was 24 during his rookie season. I'm not saying Pickett will be as good as Burrow (fingers crossed this ends up with Kenny Heisman being better), but there are a lot more similarities than differences between the two and their same "weaknesses" apparently make Pickett a leper while they're just a blip on the radar for consensus number one Burrow.

[Beveridge]

I'm excited for the next several years. I can't lose except when watching Carolina play.

[robbiestoupe]

Joe Burrow was also a fifth year senior who didn't put up excellent stats until his final year on an absolutely stacked LSU team and was 24 during his rookie season. I'm not saying Pickett will be as good as Burrow (fingers crossed this ends up with Kenny Heisman being better), but there are a lot more similarities than differences between the two and their same "weaknesses" apparently make Pickett a leper while they're just a blip on the radar for consensus number one Burrow.

Might as well copy the Bengals and draft Addison next year

[Morkle]

That's what's hilarious to me. Madden screaming "HES ONLY A YEAR YOUNGER THAN BURROW." So what you're saying is, is that Burrow came into the league at 24 and took the Bengals to the Super Bowl at 25?

[MrKennethTKangaroo]

Joe Burrow was also a fifth year senior who didn't put up excellent stats until his final year on an absolutely stacked LSU team and was 24 during his rookie season. I'm not saying Pickett will be as good as Burrow (fingers crossed this ends up with Kenny Heisman being better), but there are a lot more similarities than differences between the two and their same "weaknesses" apparently make Pickett a leper while they're just a blip on the radar for consensus number one Burrow.

Might as well copy the Bengals and draft Addison next year

My man

[Trip McNeely]

[NTP66]

I guess the question is whether or not they were trying to move up to get Pickett. If so, this is even better news, as we didn't waste a pick.

[count2infinity]

Who else would they have moved up to take?

[Rocco]

Last time Colbert picked the Pitt kid and appeased the Yinzers with Conner he turned around and took a long snapper in the 5th round. I can't wait to see what he does this year now that he knows no one in town will complain.

He's not who I would have taken. It's fine. Even if it doesn't work, it only cost the 20th overall pick.

[tifosi77]

The players taken off the board from 15-19 were 3 OL and 2 WR. Plus, HOU is definitely in the 'needs a QB' column, and I believe 15 was their second bite at the 1st round apple.

So, yes, it was probably with an eye to grab Pickett.

[Trip McNeely]

Skyy Moore in the second, oline or safety in the third would make me happy

[robbiestoupe]

I'm still thinking Dline but if Skyy Moore is available, you have to, right?

[AliquippaPen]

Better than Ziggy Hood

[Trip McNeely]

I'm still thinking Dline but if Skyy Moore is available, you have to, right?

Are there really any dlinemen with a second round grade?

Honestly, they could just go BPA every round from now on. Tackle, Dline, ILB, CB, safety, even OLB. They basically just don’t need a starting tight end and maybe guard if they are good with Dotson

[Trip McNeely]

I'm still thinking Dline but if Skyy Moore is available, you have to, right?

Are there really any dlinemen with a second round grade?

Honestly, they could just go BPA every round from now on. Tackle, Dline, ILB, CB, safety, even OLB. They basically just don’t need a starting tight end and maybe guard if they are good with Dotson

Actually Logan Hall and Travis jones would both be good fits on the dline

[Dickie Dunn]

Better than Ziggy Hood

Played in 142 games across 10 seasons. That’s a hell of a career.

[LITT]

Better than Ziggy Hood

Played in 142 games across 10 seasons. That’s a hell of a career.

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